Dumb patrol rifle question...

[97F1504RAD]

Now we know another reason why we are in the boat we are in, seems police chiefs are also scared of little black rifles no wonder they always support gun control. Truly amazing.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

I guess my dry sense of humor didn't come across the way I intended it. Of course a small bore AR would be the most logical and best choice!!! More magazine capacity, great accuracy for what we do in LE, compact, light weight, accessory friendly and the list goes on and on. If my agency would let us carry an AR, I'd have one. I'm issued a Mini-14 and it does good. It's not my first choice but I have to do my job with what I have.

Sometimes I overlook the dry humor... I think the Mini-14 is a good choice for a patrol carbine. I have the 16" barreled Mini and it is so compact that it feels almost like an SBR. Handy, reliable, and quite accurate at 100 yds.

I have noticed that SBSD carries Mini's, but they are the old pencil barreled versions that tend to spread out groups as they heat up. But at traffic stop gunfight distances it would still beat a handgun.

I am a Mini-14 guy, an AR guy, M1A guy, Garand guy, etc. Have all, love all. Right tool for the right job I say!

[Spyder]

Do you work in law enforcement? Even as an owner of an M1A rifle, I will be the first to admit it would be a poor choice as a standard patrol rifle. Too big, too long, too heavy, and too much round for traditional urban law enforcement.

SWAT team or rural, isolated areas, maybe. Otherwise, NO. And M1 Garand? Are you serious? How about a tactical bandolier of Garand clips?

I carried an M14 for several years. I still very much prefer it to the AR platform I have now. But I'm not exactly urban either.

[FLIGHT762]

Tell your ignorant Chief that an active shooter in a mall is scarier looking than a well trained First Responder with an M-4.

This is what a lot of us had to deal several years ago with when trying to convince ignorant, reluctant Chiefs to add a patrol rifle in the cars. My Chief actually said "I don't want to have any Lone Rangers out there". It was pathetic.

Eventually, he had to come around since the introduction of mandatory active shooter training and nearly all of the local agencies around were putting AR-15 carbines in the cars.

O/P, my suggestion to you is to get a survey of the agencies in your County of what rifles they have put in their patrol cars to let your Chief get with it.

I worked on the SF Peninsula where the Chiefs in the area were very anti gun. Even they had to go with the flow eventually.

A group of us Rangemasters for various agencies got together and formed the Peninsula Rangemaster group. We put together a POST certified 3 day basic tactical patrol rifle course that the Sheriff of the County and all of the Chiefs signed off on. We were able to train all of the Officers / Deputies from the various agencies. We even got a couple of Federal agencies to join.

It made the conversion to patrol rifles easier since it allowed a generic training class in our area. It was easier for the Chiefs and Sheriff to send personnel for local training.

[AG166]

Sometimes I overlook the dry humor... I think the Mini-14 is a good choice for a patrol carbine. I have the 16" barreled Mini and it is so compact that it feels almost like an SBR. Handy, reliable, and quite accurate at 100 yds.

I have noticed that SBSD carries Mini's, but they are the old pencil barreled versions that tend to spread out groups as they heat up. But at traffic stop gunfight distances it would still beat a handgun.

I am a Mini-14 guy, an AR guy, M1A guy, Garand guy, etc. Have all, love all. Right tool for the right job I say!

"Right tool for the right job" doesn't get any better than that. What a concept. If I was the Police Chief, I'd outfit my guys with whatever they needed to make sure they came home at the end of each shift in one piece and unscathed.

[oddjob]

There is this....... https://www.volquartsen.com/products...arreled-action

Pricey for an agency though, but not as "scary" looking. FN SCAR 16 is another.

[Guard-01]

Have you guy ever considered use akm ? Ammonium is cheap. Extremely reliable. Folding stock. Just my opinion. My department use mini 14 which is jammed and sucked. There is an an version use 5.56 and .223 ammonium if you worry about the supply of 7.62x39 ammunition.

[Sir Toast]

Here's my vote: M1 Garand Tanker with a flash suppressor. The flash suppressor works pretty good with a semi automatic, short barreled 30-06.

[dvs762]

Funny. We've come to this..there was a time many police carried Tommy guns and now we worry some soccer mom might piss herself seeing a rifle...carried by a cop...in uniform...

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[Rango]

Get the Mini 14, if that's all you can get... then work it.
We did that at my department. It took time and respectful education... and a couple of "situations" that needed rifles and we didn't have them. Chief figured out it was better to have rifles than deal with the consequences.

Now we have rifles, and 1911's for those that want them.

[Slappo]

I think you should approach the chief from a liability and financial standpoint:
- you need the patrol rifle to handle critical incidents
- what is the cost difference between the choices (maintenance/upgrades/ammo)
- providing the chief with material to justify to his superiors why the purchase of these tools outweighs public opinion of a scary rifle

Find out what POST certified operator course you will be using and contact them. See if you can arrange a session where the Chief can see officers being trained with weapons.

[1911su16b870]

The AR-15 is America's rifle. It is the most common rifle in the populace and in law enforcement.

Many local municipal PDs are relegating the 870 to less lethal (bean bag) status, and the AR rides in the front of the unit.

There are wood furniture kits out there for the AR if that would soften the look

[j-shot]

I think the "chief" just needs to be issued a new badge...

[diverwcw]

An M1 Garand would be badaxe!

[Par5In2]

Your immediate impulse should have been to lateral, asap; not convince him why you need an AR platform.