"THE FERGUSON EFFECT" REALITY or FICTION

[nobody33]

It's real, but I think in California Ab109 and prop 47 are having a much larger effect on morale and proactivity.

[Marty33]

You eventually realize after some time on the job that there is nothing to be gained by actively going after the bad guys. Your supervisors dont want it, the citizens dont want it, and neither do the prosecutors or juries. After about 8 years of making lots of arrests, I got tired of being sued, internally investigated, deposed by turd attorneys, and second guessed by incompetent Sergeants, Lieutenants, Captains, you name it.
I am now much happier after giving up my special assignments and just going where I get dispatched.

[WyattandDoc]

I posted this in another thread, but it applies to this one as well.

"The blinders are on and will stay on until I retire. I soul searched this issue for a LONG time. Initially I thought the oath I took and the man I am trumped all the crap. I tried to convince myself that most people deserved my all.

I'm done with that crap. The right side of the aisle and it's citizens are deafeningly silent when we are taking the hits. The left is as loud as can be. They can ALL go to hell!!!!

I'm done and the blinders are on."

[bazineta]

Locally speaking, not sure about a Ferguson effect, but where we are, Prop 47 combined with an understaffed PD is resulting in citizens realizing that unless there's a body or a gun involved, it's pretty much pointless even to report crime. That being the case from the non-LEO perspective, I can't imagine what is must be like from the LEO side; what would motivate you do go to work every day, really.

[code_blue]

Current society wants robots, not heroes. The Community Policing model will be replaced by the old, Professional Policing model.

I am watching this all unfold with the eyes of a hopeful "new boot". My mentality is changing after the constant stories of blues being crucified and exiled by the agencies that hired them.

If you have no faith in your administration, how do you continue to do what you do? I am very, very selective with my agencies now. The recommended shotgun approach will not cut it.

[CBR_rider]

Current society wants robots, not heroes. The Community Policing model will be replaced by the old, Professional Policing model.

Most of those people want robots until they are being stopped/detained/dealing with law enforcement themselves; then they want the spirit of the law applied to them in a compassionate manner that takes into account their unique (or at least what they think are unique) circumstances. They then want letter of the law applied to whoever may be annoying/vicitimizing them and they want you to do it all in a timely fashion without hurting anyone's feelings or bodies.

[DNA]

When a straw purchaser of a firearm used to kill a LEO is given probation and a LEO doing their job but is fired for nothing more than the chief wanting to appease the community... An anti LE executive commander...

It's hard not to see the effect.

I'm starting to believe the LE in LEO has stopped standing for law enforcement as illegal immigrants are now "undocumented immigrants", possession of cocaine is just as serious as driving without a license and mob rule seems to be the norm.

Dan

[Ugly Hombre]

Respect the good LEO's doing a great job

The "Ferguson Effect" is real, "leadership" from on high, highest possible- tried to come down on a good cop who did the correct thing and was deemed innocent- but they wanted to burn him.

"Leadership" was not happy- false narrative denied.

We all saw it played out.

Ferguson Effect- is very real, was established by current national ''leadership" and will continue until they are out of office- if not beyond.

[w55]

My son says almost all contact with blacks is a hassle now. First thing is "why you picking on me cause I am black" followed by person raising voice and trying to escalate the situation. Even a simple courtesy stop over a headlight goes straight to "your profiling me"

He ignores the BS but tells me he dreads even routine contact now.

Not to mention the prop 47 idiots who know they will get processed and sent on way...although some idiots think a break in will just be a ticket at the site

[The War Wagon]

In Pittsburgh, you've got these dingleberries, second-guessing EVERY police use of force incident.



The middle one is the HEAD dingleberry - it's is physically PAINFUL watching her try to formulate a thought, or a coherent sentence. I wouldn't trust her to second-guess the garbage collectors, much less the police.

I'm sure the Ferguson Effect is going to the HEAD of people like this, which can only thrill the police to no end...

[Dr.Lou]

I am so glad I am retired and my LE career is behind me. Would never do it again!!

[tcop143]

It's real, but I think in California Ab109 and prop 47 are having a much larger effect on morale and proactivity.

This is spot on. I think to some degree California LEOs have been dealing with the Ferguson effect before there was a Ferguson effect (referring to Rodney King). You couple these "effects" with the lunacy of AB109/Prop 47, and you have a recipe for absolute disillusionment. I could better deal with either of the two following scenarios:

No "effect", (Ferguson or otherwise) and de facto decriminalization; or "effect" and a real criminal justice system.

In this current environment the risk vs reward just isn't there, and as previously stated, it is the citizens that will ultimately suffer. I pray it turns around sooner rather than later, but I'm afraid things are going to get much worse.