"THE FERGUSON EFFECT" REALITY or FICTION

[LtJim]

Was watching President Obama being interviewed by Lester Holt from NBC News. The President was asked if he thought there was a "Ferguson Effect" that was spreading across the US because of the lake of support for Police Officers and support of Criminals. In short, President Obama did not believe that was or is a "Fergeson Effect" in the U.S., and he believes that Violent Crimes are decreasing!

(HEY---> Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger asking the Question and telling you what was said!!)

OK you old salts and new boots----What do you think? Is there a "Ferguson Effect" out there going on? Do you think that LEO's are just handling "Calls for Service" rather than digging for stuff? Do you think that the troops out there are in a bit more danger of how they handle real bad guys for fear of losing their job because of a distorted iphone video or politically correct spun media report?

What do you think?

[micro911]

Most officers will never do that anyways. They are too conscious to protect the public.

[WyattandDoc]

Was watching President Obama being interviewed by Lester Holt from NBC News. The President was asked if he thought there was a "Ferguson Effect" that was spreading across the US because of the lake of support for Police Officers and support of Criminals. In short, President Obama did not believe that was or is a "Fergeson Effect" in the U.S., and he believes that Violent Crimes are decreasing!

(HEY---> Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger asking the Question and telling you what was said!!)

OK you old salts and new boots----What do you think? Is there a "Ferguson Effect" out there going on? Do you think that LEO's are just handling "Calls for Service" rather than digging for stuff? Do you think that the troops out there are in a bit more danger of how they handle real bad guys for fear of losing their job because of a distorted iphone video or politically correct spun media report?

What do you think?

I don't think. I know the answers to both highlighted questions are "Yes".

[CBR_rider]

It provides a great excuse for lazy people to be lazier and certainly doesn't provide any incentive for anyone to be proactive. That being said, we still have a Job to do and good cops will still do good at work; just maybe not as much.

[Red-Osier]

The ferguson effect spawned the black lives matter movement aka people who won't go to places that have black on black shootings. Any way depends on where law enforcment is at in this country. My thoughts are small town, semi small town cops won't see the effect like say oakland, baltimore, L.A. ,chicago and so on. Also the d.o.j seems to put leos last right now. In my opinion the obama/Bloomberg agenda is not good for cops. They don't want proactive leos.

[Red-Osier]

Also I have 3 friends in law enforcement 2 CHP, 1 local pd, and they say the release of "low level offenders" is going to be more of a problem then anything. Thanks to moonbeam jerry brown. So be ready for steady stream of tweakers roaming around.

[CinnamonBear723]

Anyone who says there isn't a Ferguson Effect is either blind or a liar. I've only been on the job for a handful of years and it's a totally different world than when I started. Crime is out of control, drugs are everywhere, and politicians have police administrations tucking their tails. There has also been a huge increase in defiance from members of the public, which increases the danger and increases the amount of force you have to use on some of these ppl. The age of the "I know my rights," YouTube lawyer is upon us.

I can tell you without a doubt officers are less active for fear of being crucified by not only the media, but internally as well. Where's the incentive to do anything but respond to calls and cut paper? We all want to help and signed up for this job to do just that, but to fear losing ur job over a simple use of force on some jack hole isn't worth losing a 30 year career and ur 3 at 50. It's quite sad because at the end of the day it's the citizens who will pay.

[nedro]

You don't have to be a LEO. Heck, you don't even have to like LEOs to know damned well that this president has done everything possible to create the worse race violence and a sense for a certain group of, "People" for lack of a better more PC term, to have a green light to kill Krackaz and LEOs.
That anyone would even consider it not be true, would be a complete dismissal of reality.

[pacrat]

It's quite sad because at the end of the day it's the citizens who will pay.

It always is.


Cops get stuck with Dept Policy that is detrimental to doing a good job, and puts them at higher risks. Because Chiefs of Police, Sheriffs, and higher rank administrative type LEOs, who set those policies, are nothing but political butt puppets themselves. Who care more about their percieved image in the Bias Stream Media. Than about the welfare of officers they command, or the citizens they serve.

Cops cannot do efficient Community Policing. Unless they have the cooperation, trust, and respect of the community. Yet Dept heads, politicians, and the BSM, promote the "Us v Them " divisiveness that destroys trust, respect, and thus cooperation.

Creating a Orobouros Public Serpent. With LE as the tail that is being perpetually eaten.

JM2c

[WyattandDoc]

Anyone who says there isn't a Ferguson Effect is either blind or a liar. I've only been on the job for a handful of years and it's a totally different world than when I started. Crime is out of control, drugs are everywhere, and politicians have police administrations tucking their tails. There has also been a huge increase in defiance from members of the public, which increases the danger and increases the amount of force you have to use on some of these ppl. The age of the "I know my rights," YouTube lawyer is upon us.

I can tell you without a doubt officers are less active for fear of being crucified by not only the media, but internally as well. Where's the incentive to do anything but respond to calls and cut paper? We all want to help and signed up for this job to do just that, but to fear losing ur job over a simple use of force on some jack hole isn't worth losing a 30 year career and ur 3 at 50. It's quite sad because at the end of the day it's the citizens who will pay.

Perfectly stated

[wrestlingnrj]

My department has had two officers (out of less than 70) quit in the last month or so because of the Ferguson effect combined with the joke that is our legal system. Both had less than 10 years on and will no longer be in law enforcement. One was an investigator who was sick and tired of the light sentences people were getting. Ex: lady in OC who got multiple years in prison for texting while driving and causing a fatal accident, vs a similar case we had but the driver admitted fault and only got a few years probation.

[BigStiCK]

Was watching President Obama being interviewed by Lester Holt from NBC News. The President was asked if he thought there was a "Ferguson Effect" that was spreading across the US because of the lake of support for Police Officers and support of Criminals. In short, President Obama did not believe that was or is a "Fergeson Effect" in the U.S., and he believes that Violent Crimes are decreasing!


OK you old salts and new boots----What do you think? Is there a "Ferguson Effect" out there going on?

See the reciprocal of the bolded to answer your question.

Anything that comes out of that Moron's mouth is pretty much the opposite of truth.

[Sutterduckhunter]

Anyone who says there isn't a Ferguson Effect is either blind or a liar. I've only been on the job for a handful of years and it's a totally different world than when I started. Crime is out of control, drugs are everywhere, and politicians have police administrations tucking their tails. There has also been a huge increase in defiance from members of the public, which increases the danger and increases the amount of force you have to use on some of these ppl. The age of the "I know my rights," YouTube lawyer is upon us.

I can tell you without a doubt officers are less active for fear of being crucified by not only the media, but internally as well. Where's the incentive to do anything but respond to calls and cut paper? We all want to help and signed up for this job to do just that, but to fear losing ur job over a simple use of force on some jack hole isn't worth losing a 30 year career and ur 3 at 50. It's quite sad because at the end of the day it's the citizens who will pay.

Spot on!

[1CavScout]

I have been talking to guys I know lately about this topic. I talked to a former partner this morning who is currently on a motor. He is at 41 months and counting. He is checking out at 50 and will do something else. He said the job has gotten much worse since I left, and said even the jails are a joke now. Inmates running the various facilities, and deputies afraid to get in trouble. I am glad I am out.

[asphaltcowboychip]

The troops are being pressured from all sides, management doesn't know how to lead (and is giving in to social pressure), media and social media has the community in a frenzy, any action is put under a microscope...almost feels like lambs to the slaughter. What's great about law enforcement is no matter what even when the are under appreciated and disrespeced they (for the most part) will do whats right.