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  • #16
    HooYah
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2005
    • 1575

    Originally posted by audiophil2
    None.

    I advise my clients not to buy rifle suppressors because they are almost useless. You are trying to tame down a very fast round out of a very short barrel. Makes zero sense. That is like adding mufflers to a nitro funny car.

    My buddy was running his rdb yesterday with an aac mini 4. I still needed ear pro and I was 30 yards away. All a can does on a short 556 barrel is ruin balance.

    Buy a short 9mm upper and get a can for that.
    It's not just about sound signature, but flash and dust signature are both greatly reduced by running a suppressor.

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    • #17
      supermario
      Veteran Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 4569

      Brevis Delta supressors are very small but pricey. Well worth if you have the $$.

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      • #18
        rdtompki
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2014
        • 773

        I'm SBR'ing an AR15 lower. Haven't decided on a home defense caliber, but using CMMG uppers I can run 9mm or 5.7x28, or a short barrel gas 300 blk upper. My wife and I are in our 70's so the 9mm and 5.7 make more sense from a recoil standpoint. Low recoil, rounds on target and a good defensive round work for me. And, lots of good suppressors for subsonic pistol rounds.

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        • #19
          sigstroker
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2009
          • 19830

          Originally posted by supermario
          Hey Buddy, im going through the same thing. I want to tame my 7.5 Diablo upper. Its not the noise that bothers me its the concussion.

          Anyhow, what i have decided to do is, buy the Noveske kx3 piggy brake. From All the reviews and videos ive watched, it seems it tames the concussion pretty well. At least to a bearable level. Im not looking to make it quiet, just to be as loud as any other AR.
          It seems the Noveske kx3 will do that AND the surefire Warden. I would prefer the warden because then you can put a surefire can on it but it costs 3x amount of noveske. You have to buy the warden And a sure muzzle attachment like the surefire warcomp or something.

          Anyhow look it into if. If you live in AZ, pm me and when i get my kx3 in my diablo, you can shoot it and see if its what you want. Wont cost you anything but gas. If you live in AZ that is.
          I would think any kind of brake would be louder than a flash hider. I just have a flash hider and it's louder than hell, can't imagine a brake on it.

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          • #20
            sigstroker
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jan 2009
            • 19830

            Originally posted by rdtompki
            I'm SBR'ing an AR15 lower. Haven't decided on a home defense caliber, but using CMMG uppers I can run 9mm or 5.7x28, or a short barrel gas 300 blk upper. My wife and I are in our 70's so the 9mm and 5.7 make more sense from a recoil standpoint. Low recoil, rounds on target and a good defensive round work for me. And, lots of good suppressors for subsonic pistol rounds.
            5.7 counts on velocity, so you're not going to use subsonic there. 9mm means you'll have to set up some sort of adapter for your lower. Blackout is going to be the easiest to deal with.

            If you can afford it, consider a dedicated .45, maybe as a braced pistol. The CMMG MkG (formerly called Guard) has a radial delayed blowback, which should help with port pop. Plus, .45 is probably as effective as Blackout, and practice ammo is cheaper. Blackout can also punch pistol caliber armor, although burglars probably aren't going to be wearing armor.

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            • #21
              audiophil2
              Senior Member
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Jan 2007
              • 8736

              Originally posted by HooYah
              It's not just about sound signature, but flash and dust signature are both greatly reduced by running a suppressor.
              Which has almost zero issue in real life.

              If I did not care I would try to sell a can. It is sort of what I do for a living. Yet I am the only one advising against it.

              I've got cans here I could sell dirt cheap. They were given to me by another FFL. I just don't like selling something someone will regret buying later.
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              • #22
                sigstroker
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jan 2009
                • 19830

                I should make a bet with you. I haven't been able to try out my setup at the local range because all the other shooters are too loud. All you have to do is take me out to your property to settle the bet!

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                • #23
                  dousan
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 1291

                  I shot a few hundred rounds suppressed today. Definitely takes the edge off on 556. More enjoyable for sure. Shot my other rifle unsupressed and wished i had 2 cans because it was waaay louder (can takes long time to cool down )

                  2 11.5" ar15 rifles and 1 surefire rc2 (one with a brake and one with a flash hider)
                  Shot in blm mountains.

                  Had to confirm zeroes for a pistol/rifle course coming up!

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                  • #24
                    rdtompki
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2014
                    • 773

                    Originally posted by sigstroker
                    5.7 counts on velocity, so you're not going to use subsonic there. 9mm means you'll have to set up some sort of adapter for your lower. Blackout is going to be the easiest to deal with.

                    If you can afford it, consider a dedicated .45, maybe as a braced pistol. The CMMG MkG (formerly called Guard) has a radial delayed blowback, which should help with port pop. Plus, .45 is probably as effective as Blackout, and practice ammo is cheaper. Blackout can also punch pistol caliber armor, although burglars probably aren't going to be wearing armor.
                    Running 5.7 subsonic will loose effectiveness, but we're still talking 40 rounds (CMMG mags) on target and the very low recoil would be very desirable for my wife. I have an early CMMG Guard in 9mm and it's very low recoil, but I'm currently running the Guard upper with an AR15 lower using Mean Arms Pmag conversions - runs flawlessly. Blackout would be a bit much for my wife and I really like the RDB setup. By comparison the recoil using CMMG RDB in 9mm is almost as soft as my 9mm competition rifle (fake 16" barrel, Taccom 3-stage buffer, Taccom Extreme Bolt, carbon fiber handguard).

                    What's really attractive about 5.7 with a CMMG upper is the ability to use an AR15 lower. One tax stamp works for 5.56, 5.7 and 9mm.

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                    • #25
                      lt05deluxe
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2012
                      • 1082

                      Sorry bro you lost me when you said you're in a free state. Jk

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                      • #26
                        sigstroker
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 19830

                        Originally posted by rdtompki
                        Running 5.7 subsonic will loose effectiveness, but we're still talking 40 rounds (CMMG mags) on target and the very low recoil would be very desirable for my wife. I have an early CMMG Guard in 9mm and it's very low recoil, but I'm currently running the Guard upper with an AR15 lower using Mean Arms Pmag conversions - runs flawlessly. Blackout would be a bit much for my wife and I really like the RDB setup. By comparison the recoil using CMMG RDB in 9mm is almost as soft as my 9mm competition rifle (fake 16" barrel, Taccom 3-stage buffer, Taccom Extreme Bolt, carbon fiber handguard).

                        What's really attractive about 5.7 with a CMMG upper is the ability to use an AR15 lower. One tax stamp works for 5.56, 5.7 and 9mm.
                        You already have a 9mm, go with that! It's going to be a lot better than a glorified .22.

                        I don't know, I guess I don't pay enough attention, but I never thought of Blackout as being a heavy recoiling cartridge. With subsonics, it's about the same energy as .45 acp.

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                        • #27
                          GW
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • May 2004
                          • 16078

                          I have a YHM Resonator on my Aero .300 AAC pistol and it's super quiet with subsonic ammo
                          The most noise comes from the action movement
                          It really is a lot of fun
                          sigpicNRA Benefactor Member

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                          • #28
                            sigstroker
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 19830

                            I was thissss close to getting one, just before they announced the new model and the old model sold out in a hurry. I hesitated because of the weight, and a real rifle can isn't necessary for Blackout subs. A lighter and shorter pistol can will do. Or so I thought, because the one I tried ended up being loud and I really couldn't find any others that I liked, so now I'm back to wanting a Resonator K but they aren't out there yet.

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                            • #29
                              audiophil2
                              Senior Member
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 8736

                              Originally posted by sigstroker
                              I should make a bet with you. I haven't been able to try out my setup at the local range because all the other shooters are too loud. All you have to do is take me out to your property to settle the bet!
                              I will be hosting a pinzgauer campover next month.
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                              • #30
                                sigstroker
                                I need a LIFE!!
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 19830

                                Dangit, my pinzgauer is in the shop awaiting new muffler bearings.

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