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  • Jimmybacon43
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2013
    • 2000

    "Today's Army"

    I just received a rather disturbing call from my buddy who is in bootcamp. He is on week 12, which is apparently the one week they get off during the 12-14 weeks of training they receive at Fort Benning Georgia.

    During his call, he told me about the new, affirmative action-like preferences for promotion the army has adopted, which entails the promotion of women and minorities to leadership positions regardless of their actual level of competence. I have no problem with women or minorities, but the fact that they are getting picked for promotion over more experienced combat veterans because those veterans happen to be white males is definitely appalling. My buddy told me that an Army combat veteran of 24 years was not going to renew his contract when it came up in 2 months because of the drastic changes that the Army has experienced in the last 4 years or so. Hmm....the last 4 years....what a coincidence.

    He told me that they are receiving sub-par combat training before they will be deployed to Iraq to fight ISIS. They trained on M4 Carbines for 3 weeks, qualified, and so far have not since fired a round of live ammunition. They have been firing 3-400 rounds of BLANKS per day, with no feedback, no drill instructors calling people "Dead" or any way for them to actually increase their skills as marksmen or combat troops. This is pathetic, and this is the best that the US Army and the United States Government has to offer our new soldiers before they get deployed to combat.

    Lastly, he told me that the Army has developed a series of new "sensitivity policies" that involve complaints against drill instructors that can cost the DI's their rank, as well as medical leave from training based on a trainees complaint. He told me that one trainee in particular complained that the sand they were PT'ing in dug into his knees and elbows. The DI pointed out to him that he was going to be deployed to Iraq, a desert country where sand is abundant. The trainee responded by complaining all the way up the chain of command, and now has received his very own knee and elbow pads to PT in.

    Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. I am not a service member, I have never been in the military at all, but what I have heard disturbs me greatly. The United States government, the officials who drafted these policies, and the officials who continue to obey and enforce these policies are committing a great disservice against our servicemen who so bravely put their lives on the line for us, as well as against this Country.

    Is this what the Army was like when you were in? Is this the same Army as the 80's, 90's, and early 2000's? I could be wrong about this, maybe this is how it's always been, but when I heard about my friends complaints, the inexperienced Officers being promoted to leadership positions because of their race or sex, the lackluster combat training, and the recruit complaint system, I was appalled. I was absolutely appalled that this is the way our country prepares young men and women to GO TO WAR. Somebody, please tell me this isn't the way it's always been.
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  • #2
    Cpl. Haas
    Senior Member
    CGN Contributor
    • Dec 2006
    • 2098

    Yeah, listen to your Boot buddy... 12 whole weeks in the military definitely makes him an expert on promotion points and pre-deployment readiness training.



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    • #3
      stitch_paradox
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2010
      • 1613

      Originally posted by Cpl. Haas
      Yeah, listen to your Boot buddy... 12 whole weeks in the military definitely makes him an expert on promotion points and pre-deployment readiness training.
      Hahaha true! I love reading and listening to opinions of boots and non military about the military.

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      • #4
        evidens83
        Calguns Addict
        • Apr 2009
        • 7839

        Its called Basic Combat Training. Huge emphasis on Basic
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        • #5
          OIF_VET
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2008
          • 639

          Joe's been in a whole 12 weeks and he has it figured out huh? Keep whining kid. Once you get to your unit, your Team Leader and Squad Leader are going to love you. Hahahah. Tell him to drink water! He'll need it. The smoke is coming.

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          • #6
            C.W.M.V.
            Banned
            • Feb 2010
            • 4647

            Originally posted by OIF_VET
            ...Hahahah. Tell him to drink water! He'll need it. The smoke is coming.
            Oh man that got me rolling! The smoke is coming indeed!
            I'd ask what his MOS is? A lot of the army is very much like a9-5 civi job. Outside of combat arms there isn't much combat training.

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            • #7
              Bobby Ricigliano
              Mit Gott und Mauser
              CGN Contributor
              • Feb 2011
              • 17439

              I will pile on here and concur with the above that your friend is talking far beyond his experience and pay grade. Army BCT is a whirlwind of confusion, getting screamed at, getting smoked, and getting treated like a 2 year old. It is hardly a place from whence one could offer any sort of educated opinion about Army life.

              Your buddy has a long way to go and it is way too early in his military career to be whining about stuff. Soldiering is an honorable profession and something to be proud of. A basic training private has no standing whatsoever to form intelligent conclusions about such matters.

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              • #8
                boltmopar
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2011
                • 1447

                So how does he know he will be deployed to fight ISIS? I didn't know jack when I was in basic. And 3-400 rounds even if blanks was more than I fired in basic. We only fired our rifles for a week if I remember correctly and it wasn't even that many rounds. When we did the mount site, I only had one mag if I remember correctly. I might add that I was a combat engineer so we didnt rally but an emphasis on rifles.

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                • #9
                  Snoopy47
                  Veteran Member
                  • Aug 2010
                  • 3883

                  Originally posted by stitch_paradox
                  Hahaha true! I love reading and listening to opinions of boots and non military about the military.
                  The reality is they are there to jump through the hoops, and instructors are there to make sure all the boxes are checked.

                  PVTs will not have time to validate any "information" being fed them by bitter Drill SGT's putting their own spin on their interpretation of how the Army works.
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                  • #10
                    Jimmybacon43
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2013
                    • 2000

                    Originally posted by Bobby Ricigliano
                    I will pile on here and concur with the above that your friend is talking far beyond his experience and pay grade. Army BCT is a whirlwind of confusion, getting screamed at, getting smoked, and getting treated like a 2 year old. It is hardly a place from whence one could offer any sort of educated opinion about Army life.

                    Your buddy has a long way to go and it is way too early in his military career to be whining about stuff. Soldiering is an honorable profession and something to be proud of. A basic training private has no standing whatsoever to form intelligent conclusions about such matters.
                    Cool.
                    Originally posted by RookieShooter
                    One of the theory is that the hormones they put in the milk. That is why there are more obesity and homosexual today then back in the 60's.

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                    • #11
                      jarhead714
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Dec 2012
                      • 8818

                      Wait, you get a week off during boot camp?

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                      • #12
                        C.W.M.V.
                        Banned
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 4647

                        Originally posted by jarhead714
                        Wait, you get a week off during boot camp?
                        I Thought that was strange too. That's why I wonder what his MOS is.

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                        • #13
                          ElvenSoul
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 17431

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                          • #14
                            evidens83
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 7839

                            Originally posted by jarhead714
                            Wait, you get a week off during boot camp?
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                            • #15
                              Carcassonne
                              Veteran Member
                              • Jul 2012
                              • 4897

                              Originally posted by Jimmybacon43
                              I just received a rather disturbing call from my buddy who is in bootcamp. He is on week 12, which is apparently the one week they get off during the 12-14 weeks of training they receive at Fort Benning Georgia.

                              During his call, he told me about the new, affirmative action-like preferences for promotion the army has adopted, which entails the promotion of women and minorities to leadership positions regardless of their actual level of competence. I have no problem with women or minorities, but the fact that they are getting picked for promotion over more experienced combat veterans because those veterans happen to be white males is definitely appalling. My buddy told me that an Army combat veteran of 24 years was not going to renew his contract when it came up in 2 months because of the drastic changes that the Army has experienced in the last 4 years or so. Hmm....the last 4 years....what a coincidence.

                              This is nothing new. Welcome to the American Military.

                              It was that way in the 1990's when I was in. We had a black Sergeant who went from E1 to E5 in 5 years even though he only had an IQ of 75 (I think it was actually negative 75), and no High School Diploma. The guy was dumber than a box of rock. Every time I was scheduled for promotion, my paperwork was mysteriously lost or misplaced.

                              The military's SOP is to promote the incompetent people up the ladder and out of the way, and to leave the competent people on the bottom to get the job done, so you end up with idiots running the place. It's failure by design.

                              If your friend is competent at what he does, he will end up having to babysit adult 5-year-olds.

                              I was in basic at Ft Benning at the Bravo-254 barracks.


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