two questions regarding enlistment?

[Snoopy47]

You are a fat, unmotivated piece of excrement!

See, in the "Army" they insult the "action", not the "soldier".

I'm guessing he's a Marine (Jar Head), but in the army they would criticize why you are eating all that "excrement" to become fat, and point out that you are not running enough instead of being "unmotivated".

[pitbull30]

I didnt read everything here. Based on the quick things I saw on page 1.

Drink water only. Portion your meals. Run.

[CrossedRifles]

That's kind of all over the map.

If you are young enough I would hold out for an MOS you are interested in because there isn't "just a couple of years". I'm going to guess it's going to be something like 6 and 2.

6 years as a weekend warrior with a high probability of being deployed at least once, and then 2 years non drilling but on retainer and can be called back up or deployed.

You'll be on the hook for 8 years. That's a LONG time to be a dirt scrubber that potentially never gets past E4 if there aren't any vacancies for E5+

+1 Agree 100%. OCS/ROTC Route will be much better. I went in as a E-2 with the same mindset as you did OP(dirt scrubber no problem) and rethought my actions when my peers in high school were getting commissioned as 2LT and being paid so much more and actually doing things.

I get that most of us don't do it for the money, but it helps. OCS / ROTC is more of a commitment, but imagine it as a 2 year down-payment on a much nicer life. You're 21 so you have time to take the officer route.

[Triton8260]

+1 Agree 100%. OCS/ROTC Route will be much better. I went in as a E-2 with the same mindset as you did OP(dirt scrubber no problem) and rethought my actions when my peers in high school were getting commissioned as 2LT and being paid so much more and actually doing things.

I get that most of us don't do it for the money, but it helps. OCS / ROTC is more of a commitment, but imagine it as a 2 year down-payment on a much nicer life. You're 21 so you have time to take the officer route.

I actually tried for ocs since its an interview before any physical stuff and didnt get in. Ocs is hard. I got denied because my accounting/finance is really a relevant/needed skill for the air force. I wanted to do rotc but my college didnt offer it. I wanted to be an officer but since acceptance rates are ridiculously low id rather be enlisted than not serve at all.

[CrossedRifles]

Ah, unfortunate, you can go enlisted then try green to gold program if you really would like to shoot for it. I heard it is very hard though and there are minimal slots.

Good luck.

[jcourson]

I actually tried for ocs since its an interview before any physical stuff and didnt get in. Ocs is hard. I got denied because my accounting/finance is really a relevant/needed skill for the air force. I wanted to do rotc but my college didnt offer it. I wanted to be an officer but since acceptance rates are ridiculously low id rather be enlisted than not serve at all.

For the Marines, there is also a good chance that a Lt will not get commissioned. So for a career choice, there is a good chance that they will be forced out. With the recently reduced times for enlisted, you have to make E-6 in 10 years or get separated as well. I have seen a lot of good officers and enlisted forced out because all the reviewing boards end up seeing is how the Marine looks on paper.

Ah, unfortunate, you can go enlisted then try green to gold program if you really would like to shoot for it. I heard it is very hard though and there are minimal slots.

Good luck.

Fairly easy (at this time) in the Marines, whether going officer or warrant officer. Generally speaking, there are not enough packages submitted so there is not much competition.

[BrianRodela]

ADHD? No big deal, we got a job in the Navy for you! A bottle of spray and wipe and a rag staring at a gauge all day will cure that!

On a serious note, the medical issue? Not a game changer but your physical fitness and body weight, you really should change your lifestyle and habits. Not that everyone in the Navy is in SPECWAR but we do have standards; ask anyone about the poor implementation of PTS. Second, don't give up on your goals, we don't take kindly to quitters.

MMCS

[19K]

Its an ongoing process for me but I can get there. Weening myself off junk food is the hardest part. I d9nt mind exercise and 5am mornings at all.



I wanted to serve after high school but I graduated when i was 17 still and my mother basically threw a hissy fit at the recruiters office and he stopped talking to me.

I actually tried for ocs since its an interview before any physical stuff and didnt get in. Ocs is hard. I got denied because my accounting/finance is really a relevant/needed skill for the air force. I wanted to do rotc but my college didnt offer it. I wanted to be an officer but since acceptance rates are ridiculously low id rather be enlisted than not serve at all.

It's a hell of a lot more than just "working out" and "5am mornings". A 5am morning is sleeping in. You make a lot of excuses. Parents didn't want me to join either, I turned 18 signed a contract and said "see ya".

You just are looking for the easy route. A friend, this past summer after more than a year of waiting, interviews and applications got accepted and commissioned through OCS and is now a 2nd lieutenant

You'll just end up being that guy if you ever go to basic and have the **** kicked out of you by the other recruits because of your long standing addictions to junk food.

You don't seem too cut out for this life.

[19K]

It's so funny to see things like this, if you want it, you'll do it, you won't keep on making excuses about how you couldn't do it in the past or this and that happened. Or how you have a problem and that's why you haven't done it sooner. When I enlisted there was this dude who was 100 pounds over weight. After a solid year of working out he came back in(when I was starting my paperwork) meeting height and weight requirements and began the process of signing up. He graduated basic and AIT, ran into him after we both came back for HTR

[Triton8260]

ADHD? No big deal, we got a job in the Navy for you! A bottle of spray and wipe and a rag staring at a gauge all day will cure that!

On a serious note, the medical issue? Not a game changer but your physical fitness and body weight, you really should change your lifestyle and habits. Not that everyone in the Navy is in SPECWAR but we do have standards; ask anyone about the poor implementation of PTS. Second, don't give up on your goals, we don't take kindly to quitters.

MMCS

Oh im not giving up at all. If I became enlisted it would just be a change in my goals. Right now its very hard to become an officer. Especially since I cant really change my gpa, and I dont have a needed degree like engineering.

[Triton8260]

It's a hell of a lot more than just "working out" and "5am mornings". A 5am morning is sleeping in. You make a lot of excuses. Parents didn't want me to join either, I turned 18 signed a contract and said "see ya".

You just are looking for the easy route. A friend, this past summer after more than a year of waiting, interviews and applications got accepted and commissioned through OCS and is now a 2nd lieutenant

You'll just end up being that guy if you ever go to basic and have the **** kicked out of you by the other recruits because of your long standing addictions to junk food.

You don't seem too cut out for this life.

I know it is but would you not say exercise and early morning are elements of military life many have trouble with?

Thats great for you but when i talked to the air force recruiter I wasnt even 17 1/2 yet. Parental consent and the willingness of the recruiter to work with me is needed.

You are making a lot of assumptions here. Having eaten a lot of unhealthy stuff doesnt mean im not willing to cut that stuff a little bit day by day. People do just go cold turkey and magically get to their target weights. Its an ongoing process.

[19K]

I know it is but would you not say exercise and early morning are elements of military life many have trouble with?

Thats great for you but when i talked to the air force recruiter I wasnt even 17 1/2 yet. Parental consent and the willingness of the recruiter to work with me is needed.

You are making a lot of assumptions here. Having eaten a lot of unhealthy stuff doesnt mean im not willing to cut that stuff a little bit day by day. People do just go cold turkey and magically get to their target weights. Its an ongoing process.

Excuses excuses excuses. And no I'd say the hardest thing people have trouble with is not listening. Waking up and exercise is the easy part.

Maybe you should have went back when you legally became an adult. Here's advice, can't stop drinking soda? Go to diet soda. Can't stop eating junk food? Go shopping somewhere besides the gas station. It's not that you're unwilling it's that you're using it as an excuse. Eat a salad for one meal a day with no dressing. Drink water with your meals. Worried about your caffeine fix? You won't get any all through out your training.

You can't sit here and expect me to believ. "Well today I'll only have one snickers bar, a medium bag of chips and a mcdonalds meal. Stop yelling at me guys! I'm weening myself off".
It's easy to not eat junk food. Just don't buy it!

[19K]

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying if you're not in shape, don't join, but don't make excuses as to why you're not in shape. There is only one reason for not being in shape and that's you were not taking care of yourself and despite you trying to change you can do much more than slowly cutting out junk food.

You'll be in for a VERY rude awakening your first day in boot camp.

And stop with the "I want to do SF or Linguists but I'll do anything". YOU CANT EVEN CUT OUT JUNK FOOD AND YOU ARE CONSIDERING SF????? Good luck guy. You'll make some recruiter who's behind quota very happy.

[Triton8260]

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying if you're not in shape, don't join, but don't make excuses as to why you're not in shape. There is only one reason for not being in shape and that's you were not taking care of yourself and despite you trying to change you can do much more than slowly cutting out junk food.

You'll be in for a VERY rude awakening your first day in boot camp.

And stop with the "I want to do SF or Linguists but I'll do anything". YOU CANT EVEN CUT OUT JUNK FOOD AND YOU ARE CONSIDERING SF????? Good luck guy. You'll make some recruiter who's behind quota very happy.

Im talking about Air Force Security Forces aka MPs. NOT Army Special Forces. Im not making excuses. I know Im did those things wrong and I am in the process of trying to correct it. I dont shop at 7-11s and I dont drink coffee. I stopped eating dinner past 9 because I reasoned I can just go to bed and save some cash.

I exercise everyday, started cooking my own healthier meals and Im slowly seeing results. Its hard to lose weight especially since Ive never been a skinny person to begin with.

[Kestryll]

Way to be a dick 19K.

Yeah, I find that REAL amusing...