MAWP

[todd2968]

Before arrival I would install a bullet button on any AR-15's. Label all 30 round mags in a sealed boxed labeled "issued military gear" Exclude all pistols with threaded barrels, find an out of state babysitter you trust, or sell. I am not sure about if you can just keep your pistols dissembled during orders(only those with threaded barrels) Any AK's with a pistol grip must contain bullet button device.
Welcome to the People's republic of California please register to vote here if possible.

[roll2li]

I am, and if I am reading CA Penal code 32000 correctly, I can't.

As I read it, since the 'import' and 'offers/exposes' clauses are separate, even though I am not considered a Personal Firearm Importer per penal code 17000, I still couldn't sell my 'unsafe' handgun, unless the buyer was exempted. Then there are the rest of the pot wholes in Article 5 to trip over. Admittedly, I am not a lawyer, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn express last night either.

I believe your reading of 17000 to be correct, you are not an importer as AD executing a "one-time" move to CA with your legally owned firearms. Were you to let's say bend the rules and use your out of state DL to purchase off roster weapons while on leave and bring them back repeatedly, that would be importation.

Article 5 is the key to the whole transfer issue in that as defined in Section 28050 private party transfers are exempt from the roster. If you look on the marketplace there are tons of examples of off roster pistol sales via PPT, from US Glocks to one of mine as an example where I purchased a 686-3 recently (only the 686-6 with the ILS is on the roster).

Make note as to todd2968's comment about registering to vote here, AB169 which was introduced this year would ban all off roster sales.

Also do remember 27560 (registering of hanguns) doesn't apply unless you separate from service in California.

[Librarian]

I am, and if I am reading CA Penal code 32000 correctly, I can't.

As I read it, since the 'import' and 'offers/exposes' clauses are separate, even though I am not considered a Personal Firearm Importer per penal code 17000, I still couldn't sell my 'unsafe' handgun, unless the buyer was exempted. Then there are the rest of the pot wholes in Article 5 to trip over. Admittedly, I am not a lawyer, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn express last night either.

You are not importing for sale, you are importing as part of your household goods. If you later choose to sell one of your off-Roster handguns, under current law that's fine.

[commanche1_6]

Before arrival I would install a bullet button on any AR-15's. Label all 30 round mags in a sealed boxed labeled "issued military gear" Exclude all pistols with threaded barrels, find an out of state babysitter you trust, or sell. I am not sure about if you can just keep your pistols dissembled during orders(only those with threaded barrels) Any AK's with a pistol grip must contain bullet button device.
Welcome to the People's republic of California please register to vote here if possible.

This is good advice. I am going to need several boxes for both rifle and pistol magazines. I read (on the internet so mileage may vary) that a disassembled AR does not require a bullet button. Is this true and if so what do they consider disassembled.
I will continue to vote in Colorado though, I feel like that state still has a chance.

[Librarian]

This is good advice. I am going to need several boxes for both rifle and pistol magazines. I read (on the internet so mileage may vary) that a disassembled AR does not require a bullet button. Is this true and if so what do they consider disassembled.
I will continue to vote in Colorado though, I feel like that state still has a chance.

'disassembled' firearms are still firearms.

There is no 'constructive possession' explicitly in CA law regarding an 'assault weapon', but a recent court case has muddied that water and a prosecution on that basis has a non-zero chance of success.

If all you have are semi-automatic center-fire uppers for your lowers, probably better to have the bullet-buttons. $20 for a bullet-button looks like a good investment to avoid "imprisonment in the state prison for four, six, or eight years." (Penal Code 30600)

[roll2li]

If you have a AR lower it needs to have a bullet button period. Kind of like if you have a pistol (sub 16") upper you have to have a mated pistol lower receiver with it at all times otherwise you can be charged with having an SBR. Even if you DROS a stripped lower it will still have a BB on it. Most of them (BBs) are easy to install just like a normal mag release.

[commanche1_6]

Thanks to all for the advice. Absolutly would like to avoid prison time for things that have been legal everywhere else I have lived.

[lawman18]

I am, and if I am reading CA Penal code 32000 correctly, I can't.

Look at this:

As I read it, since the 'import' and 'offers/exposes' clauses are separate, even though I am not considered a Personal Firearm Importer per penal code 17000, I still couldn't sell my 'unsafe' handgun, unless the buyer was exempted. Then there are the rest of the pot wholes in Article 5 to trip over. Admittedly, I am not a lawyer, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn express last night either.

30925. A person moving into this state, otherwise in lawful
possession of an assault weapon, shall do one of the following:
(a) Prior to bringing the assault weapon into this state, that
person shall first obtain a permit from the Department of Justice in
the same manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with Section
32650) of Chapter 6.
(b) The person shall cause the assault weapon to be delivered to a
licensed gun dealer in this state in accordance with Chapter 44
(commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code
and the regulations issued pursuant thereto. If the person obtains a
permit from the Department of Justice in the same manner as specified
in Article 3 (commencing with Section 32650) of Chapter 6, the
dealer shall redeliver that assault weapon to the person. If the
licensed gun dealer is prohibited from delivering the assault weapon
to a person pursuant to this section, the dealer shall possess or
dispose of the assault weapon as allowed by this chapter.

Hi Cap Mags:

32310. Except as provided in Article 2 (commencing with Section
32400) of this chapter and in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section
17700) of Division 2 of Title 2, commencing January 1, 2000, any
person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured,
imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for
sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine is
punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or
imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170.

PC 1170(h) gives the state the authority to send you to county jail for the duration of your prison term. FELONY!

[ducky_0811]

Take out the springs in your mags, put on a bullet button to any ar's you own and voila, your legal, your blowing it out of proportion man. The only hassle your going to encounter is buying new 10rd mags. And as long as none of your firearms are considered AW there's no reason to register ANYTHING
I wouldn't register crap, they don't know you have it, don't let them know you do, esp if you're that worries about someone trying to take it away, which if you don't tell them you have it, they have no reason to come knocking

[commanche1_6]

Take out the springs in your mags, put on a bullet button to any ar's you own and voila, your legal, your blowing it out of proportion man. The only hassle your going to encounter is buying new 10rd mags. And as long as none of your firearms are considered AW there's no reason to register ANYTHING
I wouldn't register crap, they don't know you have it, don't let them know you do, esp if you're that worries about someone trying to take it away, which if you don't tell them you have it, they have no reason to come knocking

I don't think I am blowing anything out of proportion. I am being sent to California. It is an advantageous career move but the military does not ask for consent. I have multiple weapons that California considers "assault weapons." In my time in the military I have accumulated over 100 different magazines for various weapons, all of which accept more than ten rounds ( because who really wants a magazine that only takes ten). I do not want a felony charge in California for things which are legal in damn near every state in the union. If you think that trying to avoid that felony charge is "blowing it out of proportion" then you are a moron.

[commanche1_6]

I came back to this, still pissed off. These things that you consider no big deal:
bullet button AR's and 10-rd magazines are an INFRINGEMENT, by definition, of 2nd Amendment rights. That really pisses me off. The fact that many people consider it normal pisses me off even more.

[epilepticninja]

And my stupid *** chose to retire here. What was I thinking...

OP, this state while offering so much, just blows choad when it comes to privately owned firearms. You can thank the residents of San Fran, LA, and San Diego for all their fine politician choices.

[todd2968]

I would not worry about any issued AR mag that you've accumulated, like I said earlier seal them in a box marked "issued military gear" and if the look you are covered they are military gear period. The others will have to be broken down or swapped for 10 round mags that's just the reality of it. Good luck