help me get a CA Machine gun Permit

[A Fatal Err]

Under federal constuctive possesion laws even the parts required for FA weapons are themselves considered "machine guns." Though I don't know exactly, I can't imagine CA law being less restrictive.



Again, completely wrong. Machine guns are not even "Assault Weapons" in CA they are "Dangerous Weapons" that require a permit that is impossible to get as a private citizen.

As has already been stated the military provision for personal "Assault Weapons" has been so drastically changed that it is basically impossible to get the permit as no base CO would take responsability for your actions with your weapons.

You should probably read what I write more carefully. I did state that you would need a DWP (Dangerous Weapons Permit if you couldn't figure that out) but he stated that he is already in the Military so in order to get an Assault Weapons Permit it really is not that hard as long as he is bringing in a gun that is allowed from his home state. If he is going to bring a machine gun he has to have the DWP. Plus who is playing barracks lawyer? My state of residence is Illinois. Have I brought my own AR with evil features and no bullet button to California? Yes. Have I filled out the AWP, Yes. Is it 100% legal, yes. But no I do not keep my weapons on base because I would have to keep them in the Armory which is stupid. I keep them at my house in CA. But do I have friends who keep their weapons in the armory, Yes I do.

[A Fatal Err]

What if it is disassembled and stored in sep containers?

[Novator]

You should probably read what I write more carefully. I did state that you would need a DWP (Dangerous Weapons Permit if you couldn't figure that out) but he stated that he is already in the Military so in order to get an Assault Weapons Permit it really is not that hard as long as he is bringing in a gun that is allowed from his home state. If he is going to bring a machine gun he has to have the DWP. Plus who is playing barracks lawyer? My state of residence is Illinois. Have I brought my own AR with evil features and no bullet button to California? Yes. Have I filled out the AWP, Yes. Is it 100% legal, yes. But no I do not keep my weapons on base because I would have to keep them in the Armory which is stupid. I keep them at my house in CA. But do I have friends who keep their weapons in the armory, Yes I do.

If you have a MAWP currently then you must be really buddy buddy with your base CO or he is willing to lie for you. I investigated this when I PCSd into CA in 2010. The current MAWP requires:
The same letter is required for annual renewal in addition to:

Completed copy of Report of Use of Personal Assault Weapons in Military Sanctioned Activities (BOF 047)

Again, I see no way that any CO would sign the letter as there is no way that a servicemember would ever need a personal "assault weapon" for a military purpose.

[Matt1984]

If you have a MAWP currently then you must be really buddy buddy with your base CO or he is willing to lie for you. I investigated this when I PCSd into CA in 2010. The current MAWP requires:

The same letter is required for annual renewal in addition to:

Again, I see no way that any CO would sign the letter as there is no way that a servicemember would ever need a personal "assault weapon" for a military purpose.

Yea I'm raising the bull**** flag on this one too, to the op do what your rank can handle plain and simple or check with your chain of command. When push comes to shove your defense of I got the info off Calguns probably won't fly

[HelmandHunter]

You should probably read what I write more carefully. I did state that you would need a DWP (Dangerous Weapons Permit if you couldn't figure that out) but he stated that he is already in the Military so in order to get an Assault Weapons Permit it really is not that hard as long as he is bringing in a gun that is allowed from his home state. If he is going to bring a machine gun he has to have the DWP. Plus who is playing barracks lawyer? My state of residence is Illinois. Have I brought my own AR with evil features and no bullet button to California? Yes. Have I filled out the AWP, Yes. Is it 100% legal, yes. But no I do not keep my weapons on base because I would have to keep them in the Armory which is stupid. I keep them at my house in CA. But do I have friends who keep their weapons in the armory, Yes I do.

FATAL -

How long have you been stationed here? Are you in Camp Pendleton? I was the first Marine to attempt a registry of a Semi-Automatic AW here after the rule change requiring the Base Commanders letter. You are misinformed on CamPen BO 5000.2k-2l and the like by even mentioning that upon registry a SA AW would have to be stored in the base armory. The problem is that you are speaking without fully knowing what you are talking about, and that is DANGEROUS. Other Jr. Marines could read this thread and be misinformed, which in turn could be a detriment to their legal well-being.

MATT is 100% correct. The current base admin will not sign off on a letter that states "A bona fide necessity exists for the use of personally owned assault weapons in sanctioned military activities". To insinuate that they would even consider a FA weapon is completely false. Go talk to base legal, then base PMO on mainside.

When I have more time I could post the base orders on weapons. I consider myself well-versed on firearms issues, as I am also a CCW and weapons instructor for Marines here on base. I also teach CA compliance IAW the Fed, state and local laws.

Librarian, Kestryll, or one of the Calguns veterans is likely to thrash you for posting such nonsense.

[Matt1984]

FATAL -

How long have you been stationed here? Are you in Camp Pendleton? I was the first Marine to attempt a registry of a Semi-Automatic AW here after the rule change requiring the Base Commanders letter. You are misinformed on CamPen BO 5000.2k-2l and the like by even mentioning that upon registry a SA AW would have to be stored in the base armory. The problem is that you are speaking without fully knowing what you are talking about, and that is DANGEROUS. Other Jr. Marines could read this thread and be misinformed, which in turn could be a detriment to their legal well-being.

MATT is 100% correct. The current base admin will not sign off on a letter that states "A bona fide necessity exists for the use of personally owned assault weapons in sanctioned military activities". To insinuate that they would even consider a FA weapon is completely false. Go talk to base legal, then base PMO on mainside.

When I have more time I could post the base orders on weapons. I consider myself well-versed on firearms issues, as I am also a CCW and weapons instructor for Marines here on base. I also teach CA compliance IAW the Fed, state and local laws.

Librarian, Kestryll, or one of the Calguns veterans is likely to thrash you for posting such nonsense.

Good job, I hope this fellow service gets with you offline so you can instruct him on what the proper regs are. I would hate to see someone lose rank or their career for misleading or misunderstood information. In the end it's not worth it

[Novator]

Good job, I hope this fellow service gets with you offline so you can instruct him on what the proper regs are. I would hate to see someone lose rank or their career for misleading or misunderstood information. In the end it's not worth it

Agreed, keeping my junior sailors in line is hard enough normally. I can't imagine having to deal with one of them inadvertently commiting a felony because of what some yahoo told them was legal on the internet.

[A Fatal Err]

I've been at CampPen for over 5 years and I know what the rules are. It's really not that hard. I talked to my Capt, he talked to my Bn Co. who then wrote a letter to the BC. For you to quickly bash someone just because maybe you haven't done it is just plain stupid. As far as the "A bona fide necessity exists for the use of personally owned assault weapons in sanctioned military activities" goes, you can participate in a number of events such as our 3 gun events and other things the Marines have.

But no, I must be making up the fact that I LEGALLY have my AR with it's evil features registered to the state of california...as well as a number of my other friends.

[A Fatal Err]

I've been at CampPen for over 5 years and I know what the rules are. It's really not that hard. I talked to my Capt, he talked to my Bn Co. who then wrote a letter to the BC. For you to quickly bash someone just because maybe you haven't done it is just plain stupid. As far as the "A bona fide necessity exists for the use of personally owned assault weapons in sanctioned military activities" goes, you can participate in a number of events such as our 3 gun events and other things the Marines have.

But no, I must be making up the fact that I LEGALLY have my AR with it's evil features registered to the state of california...as well as a number of my other friends.

[Novator]

I've been at CampPen for over 5 years and I know what the rules are. It's really not that hard. I talked to my Capt, he talked to my Bn Co. who then wrote a letter to the BC. For you to quickly bash someone just because maybe you haven't done it is just plain stupid. As far as the "A bona fide necessity exists for the use of personally owned assault weapons in sanctioned military activities" goes, you can participate in a number of events such as our 3 gun events and other things the Marines have.

But no, I must be making up the fact that I LEGALLY have my AR with it's evil features registered to the state of california...as well as a number of my other friends.

1. Up until now you have basically stated that it is easy and everyone could get one no problem. Given our responses, if you do indeed have one it should be clear that you are the exception not the rule.

2. Until we brought it up you mentioned nothing about a base CO letter.

3. I highly doubt that CADOJ views optional 3 gun competitions as "A bona fide necessity" If your base commander assumed that risk then lucky you. Granted I still find that difficult to believe that you are the only servicemember I've heard from that still has a MAWP after the changes in late 2010 especially given the plethora of CG members that we must have stationed at Camp Pendleton.

[gunsmithcats]

Yep, mine expired last year cause ni way in hell I could get a renewal.

[Quiet]

So I am active duty military and own a machine gun (Yes I have the approved form 4)

Help me through the process of a CA machine gun permit, so I can take my MG with me to CA, instead of having to store it in my home state or Reno NV.

Like the others have stated, it's not going to happen.

For a MG, you need a Dangerous Weapons Permit for a MG.

In order to get approved for one, you need a "good cause".
Personal use is not an approved "good cause".
Only thing I can think of that may get approved as a "good cause", is that your Base Commander and Commanding Officer give written statements that say something to the effect that you need it for official military use.

Also, be advised that Dangerous Weapons Permit holders have special restrictions that they must adhere to.

Such as paying an initial permit fee ($371), paying an annual renewal fee ($165 for one MG), registering all the locations that the MG will be stored, registering all the vehicles that will transport the MG and being subject to CA DOJ BOF inspection audits.

Also, keep in mind...
Not renewing permit = confiscation of MG
Storing the MG in a non-registered location = revocation of permit & confiscation of MG
Transporting the MG in a non-registered vehicle = revocation of permit & confiscation of MG
Using the MG in a method that is beyond the scope of your good cause = revocation of permit & confiscation of MG

It's not worth the $$$$ and headaches to try and bring your MG into CA.
Store it outside of CA and go visit it when on leave.

[HelmandHunter]

FATAL

Heres how you clear this up. Take a picture of your base authorization letter, line out your name and post it. I am interested in seeing Col Marano's or Bgen Coglianese's signature on a document that states you are authorized the use of Personally owned AW's for "sanctioned military activities". They don't interpret 3-gun and competitions as a sanctioned military activity. They feel as if they are lying to the state about you using personal weapons for "official" training. You state that I haven't done it? I have had the endorsement of another 0-6 (Colonel) "Forwarded, recommending approval" on my written request for the permit.

The base issued a letter, CA rejected it based on insufficient justification. The base refused to issue a letter with that language based on liability to the base. The top enlisted and officers explicitly told me that they will reject future attempts at obtaining and renewing these permits.

I have notified Congressman Issa, and consulted with attorneys. I guarantee you, I am better informed on this than you, and thats for your education, not for d*ck measuring. If you received this permit by some unusual circumstance, you are the exception to the rule and will probably be denied upon renewal attempt. But this started in 2010 and renewal is yearly, so you should know this already, yes?

At Calguns, this is a a tight knit-online community of gun owners that face more adversity than most in the U.S. just trying to exercise their 2D Amendment right. There are many very well informed members here that are well versed in CA law that wish to educate the newer members and CA residents. Your skewed perception of the law doesn't become reality based on your interpretation alone. Why don't you pose questions instead of TELLING all of us we are wrong?

You are a Sgt with A Co. 1st Recon Battalion?

[A Fatal Err]

Unfortunately for you I am currently deployed with the 15th Meu and won't be back until May 2013. So if you want to wait until then, I can get you your pictures.

[HelmandHunter]

FATAL,

I hope you didn't just take that post as a challenge on this letter that you have. We are all trying to put this into perspective for you and the other guys reading this as a "how-to". Be advised on the problem you will undoubtedly have when returning to CONUS at maintaining your weapon.

Good luck on the float.