Army Rangers vs Navy SEALs: Who would win in a one-on-one or squad-based fight?

[1SOCALGUNNER]

Marines RECON or simply Marine infantry. Only problem with SEALS and Army is their weak *** basic. Marines have a lower drop cuzz they already hard.

Eat a *ick you POG lol

[Shorthair]

I was never a Marine or Seal or Ranger or Spetsnaz. I have one good freind who is an active duty Seal stationed on Coronado as a BUDS intructor. A while back I asked him his general opinion on the Rangers he's interacted with. The only comment he really gave me was that he had noticed several smokers among the ones hes dealt with. He wasn't to impressed with a man who is supposed to be in top physical condition and smokes. He said smoking is not unheard of among Seals but definately frowned upon.

[sac42705]

This is retarded. Rangers, really? Rangers and Recon I would consider to be on the same level. Force Recon is on their own level because they dont get the same funding as SOCOM units and they are hurting right now because most went to MARSOC. MARSOC is still too new and is working on some things, but the real comparison is ODA and Seals.

[A Fatal Err]

If you ask me, Rangers nowadays are pretty much pussies. Seals are better prepared and can handle most situations better. BUT if you asked about Green Berets then it'd be a toss up. Those guys are BA from first hand experience.

[biglou]

Do you really think a regular marine is more elite than a ranger? It never ceases to amaze me how marines just run around with their arrogance - that one "marine NCO" guy said that you can just be at Ranger Bat and you just get a tab. No. If you fail Ranger School, you get RFS'd and you're in a black beret the next day. At least do your homework before you disparage people who have done more than you. Saw plenty of marines quit Ranger school. From the sands of Iwo Jima back to a nice warm bed, I guess. It's really surprising because you only deploy for 6 months - seems like you'd have plenty of time to at least learn about the people you think the elite Marine Corps Boot Camp made you superior to.

I remember when the best stories I had came from training, heh.

one last thing: I'm all for esprit de corps, but if you want to be competitive at least be competitive and GO to Ranger School instead of just disparaging it. I doubt you'd enjoy it.

This thread is about Rangers vs. SEALS, but I'll play along. Marines can go to Ranger School but Army Rangers can't be a Marine. What does that tell you. You would have to go to Marine Corps bootcamp. The drop out rate would be high. BTW SEALS would kick ***, just my opinion.

[Ronin2]

I served in the Navy and I am clearly biased in favor of the SEALS, but that said, there are a HELL OF A LOT MORE army rangers than Navy SEALS. Just saying....

[11bravo1p]

Marines are just Naval Infantry. They are no better than Army Infantry in my opinion, they just have different battefield insertion methods. 1st, 2nd and 3rd Rangers are Battalion sized units used for quick deployment to seize airfields etc. SEALs are specialized in squad sized CQB and HVT kill or capture type missions. If you want to compare apples to apples, compare SEALs vs. U.S. Army Special Forces Delta. That would be a better comparison, I would think.

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[stag6.8]

The Israel army is the best trained in the world....Thousands of years of turmoil and strife...nobody messes with the mossad....in conjunction with the french foreign legion...these two armies is the foundation of our U.S.special forces.

[ghostwong]

To start off with, Gentlemen . . Thank You for your service! I think the most feared and even now, The Gurkhas. That is MHO. The Special Forces oprators are a different game. Men with a backbone of Steel, and a Heart of a Warrior. The SEALS are like that, Delta, Air Force PJ's, Green Berets are "in the same/Not the same" warrior class. The RAngers, I like them but they are no Seals, nor GB.

[11bravo1p]

I will agree that the Mossad are a very highly skilled and effective unit, they have no relation to the origin of American Special Forces. The SF came out of the OSS of WW2 and the Delta detachment was created by Col. Beckwith and has its roots in MACV-SOG in Vietnam and most of the original CT training was borrowed from British SAS and the French GIG, not the Foreign Legion. These days, Delta, the SEALs and Special Operations Aviation all fall under the JSOC umbrella, if I am not mistaken.

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[fonzy]

Agreed not a fair comparison.

Rangers operate on a larger level, usually a platoon or company.

Seals are more squad oriented.

As others have stated more direct comparison would be against Delta.

But even not all seal units are the same. Watch the interviews with Chris Kayle, different units different missions.

I have no experience. My only experience with these guys was when they would crowd me in the chow hall line. They would drive up in White Suvs, cut everyone in line. Then there uniforms had no name or branch tag on it. They only had the U.S. Flag on the right, and the Socom patch on the left. The one with the circle and black spearhead on it. Oh yea they didn't carry normal m4s either.

I don't like when service members put down other services. If I'm in trouble I don't care who shows up as long as some one does. Heck, I'll even take the boy scouts if they show up.

[11bravo1p]

We called the uniforms without name tags, service branch or rank "steriles". If you or a member of your unit was killed or captured it would give the enemy zero information. We'd even go so far as to sometimes carry soviet based weapons platforms during the op if we anticipated contact.
I agree with you, I never had a problem training with Marines. In fact all of our waterborne training (helocasts, zodiacs) was done using Navy resources. On the other hand, any Airborne ops or air assualts that we cross trained with Marines were done using Army or Air Force assets. I was Army but I consider every one of those Marines a brother in arms.

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[Coolguy101]

I was under the impression that Seal's true missions were more along the lines of scouting beaches for amphibious landings for the Marines, placing mines on enemy ships, and things like that?

I remember watching that show Combat Mission on the USA channel, and the team made up of mostly Seals got pwned by a bunch of PD Swat guys, and a Swat guy ended up beating a Seal to win the whole thing.

[Michael Ehline]

Easy ...neither. USMC Force Recon wins.

[Michael Ehline]

Marines are just Naval Infantry. They are no better than Army Infantry in my opinion, they just have different battefield insertion methods. 1st, 2nd and 3rd Rangers are Battalion sized units used for quick deployment to seize airfields etc. SEALs are specialized in squad sized CQB and HVT kill or capture type missions. If you want to compare apples to apples, compare SEALs vs. U.S. Army Special Forces Delta. That would be a better comparison, I would think.

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lol. Strange, since we had several 11 bravos drop out of Marine basic training at MCRDSD, as it was too physically demanding. BTW, Marines don't have to go through army basic to make a lat move for a reason. All other branches have to earn the title of Marine. I respect Rangers and GB's. But don't go elevating regular army to the level of the Corps. No chance. Much harder training, and our regular infantry has already undergone a longer more intense boot camp, MCT, and SOI and has the option to do army jump as well as Ranger school once in the fleet. And after that, there is always ANGLICO and Recon, or MARSOC Force Recon, etc.