Army Rangers vs Navy SEALs: Who would win in a one-on-one or squad-based fight?

[11Bforme]

It blows my mind that people put so much emphasis on basic training . The key word is basic. Marines may have a harder basic training but by no means does that give them superior knowledge of infantry tactics. If you think a bunch of Pvts learning BASIC skills makes you superior in any way then you need a wake up call. You should respect more than just GB's and Rangers, because a lot of the success of major operations over seas have been lowly Army Infantry, despite their weak basic training.

Lastly, NO ONE worth a Sh*t cares what anyone did during Basic training.

[Ronin2]

The Israel army is the best trained in the world....

Maybe in the 60's and the 70's you could make that claim but after fourteen years of non-stop deployment/combat against the regular formations of the Iraqi army and the asymmetric threats in Afghanistan and elsewhere in the world, I doubt any expert familiar with the capabilities of the US military would dispute that the US has the best trained, equipped and capable combat force in the world.

Another point worth making is that the IDF's opponents have never been first rate by any stretch of the imagination.

[jmsenk]

Everyone in this forum is either a serving member of the military, or a veteran. Many of us have been in combat, and some have served in, or with, multiple branches and units. We're professionals. How are we still having this conversation? It is embarassing.

As to the discussion about the IDF, I have served with conscript armies in the past. Compulsory service does not make a profecient or effective army. Their elite units are made up of the cut throats and bad asses who decide they are really good at this killing business, and they are top notch. They're Scary good. The line units and standard grunts, however, don't want to be there and hate their jobs. Their NCO's have to force, threaten, beat, and coerce them to do even the most basic tasks of soldiering (think cleaning rifles, not rushing machine gun nests). In the United States we all raise our right hands, volunteering to put ourselves in danger and move toward the sound of the guns, not away from them. This is one of the main reasons why I'm thankful we no longer have the draft, and the men I serve beside are steely eyed killers.

[SanDiegoMan]

About that basic thing, you guys realize in basic training spec ops get sent to different training divisions then everyone else right? So they in essence have it tougher in boot camp and then have to later pass BUDS or whatever they call it in other branches to become part of the spec ops program they signed up for. This thread is indeed stupid and promoting the couch warriors to voice their opinions, I came here to see the trolls do their thing. I served in the Navy, but I worked on airplanes, never seen a bit of combat, lol.

[jmsenk]

About that basic thing, you guys realize in basic training spec ops get sent to different training divisions then everyone else right?

This is actually not true, and I am not sure where you heard it. I can only speak for the Army, but I went through Basic and Infantry School with many guys who had both Ranger contracts and 18X contracts (18X is a Special Forces contract) They have to go through the same basic training as everyone else, then Infantry School, and Airborne before SOCOM blows money on them putting them through the pipeline. This weeds out tons of non-hackers before they even see an instructor.

From the same standpoint, while serving in both Light and Airborne Infantry outfits I have had soldiers try out and be accepted for both the 75th Ranger Regiment, and the Special Forces Pipeline. There is a reason that all SF soldiers are sergeants or above - they want experienced men who know what they are doing, not kids straight out of high school. Some guys make it to SF on their initial contract, but a lot more come from Infantry, Cav, or even Engineer outfits, where they excel, and then try out and get picked up for the pipeline when they have some dirt on their boots. Regardless, everyone goes through the same basic training, because the skills and tactics they learn there are just that - BASIC. Everything else in the service builds on them. This is how it works in the Army, and from what I understand, the AF too, for the guys going through their PJ and CC pipeline. I cannot imagine that the Marines let those with MARSOC or Recon contracts (do they even enlist guys with these contracts?) skip out on the same boot camp that they revere above any other type of training (apparently, if you read the above posts, above Ranger School, BUDs, and the SFQ course.) and run off to go do their own thing in SOCOM land before they "Earn the title of Marine"

Can't speak to the Navy though... maybe wannabe SEALs are kept apart.

[11bravo1p]

lol. Strange, since we had several 11 bravos drop out of Marine basic training at MCRDSD, as it was too physically demanding. BTW, Marines don't have to go through army basic to make a lat move for a reason. All other branches have to earn the title of Marine. I respect Rangers and GB's. But don't go elevating regular army to the level of the Corps. No chance. Much harder training, and our regular infantry has already undergone a longer more intense boot camp, MCT, and SOI and has the option to do army jump as well as Ranger school once in the fleet. And after that, there is always ANGLICO and Recon, or MARSOC Force Recon, etc.

Earn the title after 8 weeks of training and advanced?
I call bull****.
This is dumb but what the f&ck now, enough time has passed.

Your'e "RECON MARINES" got there training from army pukes like me.The best part is how the Navy always treated you like a stepchild. Go **** yourself you stupid ****ing leg."
i will say it again, i trusted and revered Marines as brothers in arms. but i will not let that legacy be deposed by typewriter doucsebags. the one thing i cherish from MC training was the ranges. those sweet 1000m ranges that allowed me to shine.

Doubt me? Ask Me. I will answer any question in this forum you ****ing puke.

[11bravo1p]

Earn the title after 8 weeks of training and advanced?
I call bull****.
This is dumb but what the f&ck now, enough time has passed.

Your'e "RECON MARINES" got there training from army pukes like me.The best part is how the Navy always treated you like a stepchild. Go **** yourself you stupid ****ing L*G."

Doubt me? Ask Me. I will answer any question in this forum you ****ing puke.

I forgot to add that my Team Leader in LRSD was a former Marine. Wonder why he would go from jarhead to grunt? I know why, because SOC never considered jarheads you ****.