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  • Tripper
    Calguns Addict
    • Jan 2011
    • 7628

    Military Pay

    this was given to me by a service person dear to me, and wanted to pass it along

    ALL MILITARY MUST READ!!! MILITARY PAY: Our G.I.'s make enough ?! CINDY WILLIAMS was appointed by Obama as an Assistant Director for NATIONAL SECURITY in the Congressional Budget Office. This is an Airman's response to Cindy Williams' editorial piece in the Washington Times about military pay, and it should be printed in all newspapers across America . Ms. Cindy Williams wrote a piece for the Washington Times denouncing the pay raise(s) coming service members' way this year, citing that she stated a 13% wage increase was more than they deserve. A young airman from Hill AFB responds to her article below. He ought to get a bonus for this. "Ms. Williams: I just had the pleasure of reading your column, "Our GI's Earn Enough," and I am a bit confused. Frankly, I'm wondering where this vaunted overpayment is going, because as far as I can tell, it disappears every month between DFAS (The Defense Finance and Accounting Service) and my bank account. Checking my latest earnings statement I see that I make $1,117.80 before taxes per month. After taxes, I take home $874.20. When I run that through the calculator, I come up with an annual salary of $13,413.60 before taxes, and $10,490.40 after. I work in the Air Force Network Control Center where I am part of the team responsible for a 5,000 host computer network. I am involved with infrastructure segments, specifically with Cisco Systems equipment. A quick check under jobs for "Network Technicians" in the Washington , D.C. area reveals a position in my career field, requiring three years experience in my job. Amazingly, this job does NOT pay $13,413.60 a year. No, this job is being offered at $70,000 to $80,000 per annum. I'm sure you can draw the obvious conclusions. Given the tenor of your column, I would assume that you NEVER had the pleasure of serving your country in her armed forces. Before you take it upon yourself to once more castigate congressional and DOD leadership for attempting to get the families in the military's lowest pay brackets off of WIC and food stamps, I suggest that you join a group of deploying soldiers headed for AFGHANISTAN; I leave the choice of service branch up to you. Whatever choice you make though, opt for the SIX month rotation: it will guarantee you the longest possible time away from your family and friends, thus giving you full "deployment experience ." As your group prepares to board the plane, make sure to note the spouses and children who are saying good-bye to their loved ones. Also take care to note that several families are still unsure of how they'll be able to make ends meet while the primary breadwinner is gone. Obviously, they've been squandering the "vast" piles of cash the government has been giving them. Try to deploy over a major holiday; Christmas and Thanksgiving are perennial favorites. And when you're actually over there, sitting in a foxhole, shivering against the cold desert night, and the flight sergeant tells you that there aren't enough people on shift to relieve you for chow, remember this: trade whatever MRE's (meal-ready-to-eat) you manage to get for the tuna noodle casserole or cheese tortellini, and add Tabasco to everything. This gives some flavor. Talk to your loved ones as often as you are permitted; it won't be nearly long enough or often enough, but take what you can get and be thankful for it. You may have picked up on the fact that I disagree with most of the points you present in your open piece. But, tomorrow from KABUL , I will defend to the death your right to say it. You see, I am an American fighting man, a guarantor of your First Amendment right and every other right you cherish. On a daily basis, my brother and sister soldiers worldwide ensure that you and people like you can thumb your collective noses at us, all on a salary that is nothing short of pitiful and under conditions that would make most people cringe. We hemorrhage our best and brightest into the private sector because we can't offer the stability and pay of civilian companies. And you, Ms. Williams, have the gall to say that we make more than we deserve? A1C Michael Bragg, Hill AFB AFNCC IF YOU AGREE, PLEASE PASS THIS ALONG TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE AND SHOW YOUR SUPPORT OF THE AMERICAN FIGHTING MEN AND WOMEN
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    dls
    Veteran Member
    • Jan 2011
    • 2598

    SNOPES.

    Rumor: Actress Cindy Williams wrote an op-ed critical of military pay raises.
    The chair is against the wall...

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    • #3
      baz152
      Member
      • Feb 2008
      • 311

      Well, he may have just increased his deployment to indefinite for telling off one of his bosses. Other than that I thought it was good, personally I do not think that active service members in the armed forces should pay any tax period. A service person paying tax on their salary is the modern day coal mining town. Collect your pay check with the left hand and then hand it back to them with the right.

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      • #4
        Tripper
        Calguns Addict
        • Jan 2011
        • 7628

        Originally posted by dls
        Wow, I guess that means this is like version 8 rev.c

        I didn't search it, thanks
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        • #5
          Tripper
          Calguns Addict
          • Jan 2011
          • 7628

          When I looked before ca exempted service members from taxes, I know I was exempted when I was in, don't recall for fed though, seems when getting hazard pay it was taxfree but normal was taxed
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          • #6
            Tripper
            Calguns Addict
            • Jan 2011
            • 7628

            Military pay still isn't on par
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            • #7
              Peachdog
              Member
              • Jul 2011
              • 123

              Considering all the benefits and free crap I get, I don't think I'm underpaid. Compared to a guy who makes twice my salary on the outside, most of my income does not end up going to necessities. Anybody who claims they aren't making enough to live on in the military is a poor money manager. It's 2011 and we get paid rather handsomely along with nice job security. The only issue I think is who gets bonus pays (combat arms don't get enough and some people shouldn't be getting hazard pay where they are) and how much of a wage gap there is between enlisted and officers.

              As far as I could remember deployment was not bad at all. I got paid beaucoup bucks for doing my job, eating at a DFAC I didn't have to pay for (for once!), and working out. Some parts were stressful, but not at all that bad. Heck I was safer there than I was back in Sacramento because at least I was armed and had backup everywhere I went. Oh and nothing was taxed. And back here in garrison nothing at the PX is taxed. It's a nice perk.

              As someone whose salary is payed solely by the taxes generated by the other citizens of his country I believe they have utmost rights to scrutinize how much we get paid. Any public sector service job should be held to the same regard. It makes me laugh when some soldier acts like they have it hard when they make life hard for themselves. "Oh noes I've got a huge family I've got to care for and car payments to make I need moar moniez!" Too bad, you get paid like everybody else at your grade (generally speaking). Families get tons of money extra and free health benefits. And you'll never see a higher percentage of people driving nice, brand new cars than on a military base.

              Sometimes you have to go without food, sleep exposed without shelter in the cold on an airfield waiting days for a ride across the country that should have come a long time ago, get rockets shot at you, and spend half a year (or more) without seeing family. But hey, that came with the job description when I signed up.
              Last edited by Peachdog; 09-27-2011, 7:46 PM.

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              • #8
                SGT Loco
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2011
                • 1765

                I don't think we're underpaid, but we're by no means over paid or over compensated. And in many cases the civilian equivalent of our jobs makes far, far more money, and often with equivalent benefits. Example;

                I could deploy to Afghanistan right now, for a year, and make between 30-40k (and that's probably a generous estimate). Or I could deploy for 6 to 8 months as a contractor, doing essentially the same job (or in many cases, only the simplest aspects of that job) and bring home between 80-120k.
                Last edited by SGT Loco; 09-27-2011, 8:02 PM.

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                • #9
                  Peachdog
                  Member
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 123

                  Contractors have got themselves in a nice niche in job market. They get hired because they're less liability for the govt and for the moment they think it's worth the higher paid contracts. Then again they don't have the job security. If we weren't in this perpetual state of war they wouldn't have an expected paycheck.

                  I kind of wish I had gone into a different MOS with easier standards for becoming a contractor. The contractors in my line of work are few and far between and all have years of experience and multiple degrees. However the contractors for our equipment are all over and I think aren't worth the money we pay them just because of how convoluted the process is working with them. Seems like a big scam our equipment contracts are.

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                  • #10
                    SGT Loco
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 1765

                    Originally posted by Peachdog
                    Then again they don't have the job security. If we weren't in this perpetual state of war they wouldn't have an expected paycheck.
                    One or two tours as a contractor and I'd be set for a good couple of years. I can live without the job security

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                    • #11
                      Tom Slick
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 730

                      I'll toss some numbers out from the military pay chart:

                      E-1 base pay:
                      $1491/mo which is $17892/yr. That would be $9.32/hr, 40 hrs a week. Food and Rent are paid for so that's worth another $350/mo which makes a "civilian equivalent" to $22,092/yr or $11.50/hr at a 40hr/wk job.
                      That's good pay for a non-skilled 18-20yo kid who's getting paid while in training. That same kid living around here and working as a "shop helper" learning the metal fabrication/welding trade makes $9.00/hr and pays his own food/rent.

                      E-4, over 3, and single, living off base, stationed CONUS:
                      The "average" first termer that's ready to get out.
                      Base pay: $2150/mo (taxable)
                      Housing Allowance: $1011/mo (non taxable)
                      Food Allowance: $325/mo (non taxable)
                      That's a total of $3486/mo, $41,832 military pay.
                      The civilian equivalent pay would add tax (30%) to the allowances. That's $3887/mo, $46,641/yr, or $24/hr at a 40hr/wk job
                      For reference that's starting salary range for a recent college graduate of the same age.

                      They're not overpaid, but they are earning a good living.

                      One thing I was amazed at when I was in was financial irresponsibility. I understand broke first termers but broke/bankrupt NCO's were disturbing.
                      Last edited by Tom Slick; 09-27-2011, 9:08 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Tripper
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 7628

                        when i was in you didnt get all that
                        if you were single, you could not live 'off-base' (not my base anyways) and thus did not qualify for any of those 'other' allowances, so, we were stuck at base pay, my MOS, promotion points went below 998 maybe once a year, our MOS had lots and lots of E-4's, third term E-4 was quite common (lock-down MOS, no re-up to another MOS)
                        I remember as an E-1, i signed up for the $100 savings bond, and the GI bill was taken out each month, I ended up getting less than 500 bucks a paycheck, at E-4, it seems i was getting under 2k/month, 1600 rings a bell, then my war pay was 110 i think.
                        My daughter is Navy, and she gets paid a certain amount for having a room-mate. even so, she doesnt get much in my opinion, I think Service members deserve more, and I would absolutely be willing to pay a specific tax if it went directly to accommodate a pay rate increase to soldiers.
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                        • #13
                          dls
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 2598

                          It's not bad if you only have a 40hr a week job in admin or something 9-5, and make the cattle call for chow.
                          But it is better than working at a gas station or mini mart for min wage and getting robbed.
                          The chair is against the wall...

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                          • #14
                            SGT Loco
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2011
                            • 1765

                            I don't get how all your guys food is free. I just finished paying off like 1500 dollars worth of debt from DFAC fees

                            They charge you for that **** eventually...

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                            • #15
                              Tripper
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 7628

                              I guess it depends on the service your in (maybe all of them do it now even for all i know)
                              I understand Navy is that you pay for your food at the chow hall, or it gets charged to your paycheck.
                              Army, when I was in, going to the chow hall was free, for any meal.
                              When married, (i was for the last year in service) you got all the 'allowances' mentioned above, but lost them anytime you was deployed, since you were getting all your needs taken care of while deployed. I was always deployed too, due to the nature of my MOS, i forget what the term is for something like region is what we supported.
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