FBI Investigating BLM Protesters

[sfpcservice]

Hand out jury nullification pamphlets outside the courthouse and hire a billboard truck to park across the street....

[Ninety]

Sure they will. Try taking a gun into a federal courthouse.

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Try taking me into custody , or out of the state on a federal firearms charge when I live in a state like Missouri or Idaho or Kansas..Oklahoma ,, Texas..

Plainclothes on the bridge taking pics of dummy with ar aiming at leos thru gap in k rail. He is toast.

Prove it.

[keenkeen]

Try taking me into custody , or out of the state on a federal firearms charge when I live in a state like Missouri or Idaho or Kansas..Oklahoma ,, Texas..




Prove it.

They will & they will.

[Untamed1972]

I think it would send a VERY bad message if they started rounding people up after the fact.......especially since the Gov't was the aggressor. It would be a great way of making BLM rangers in the field walking targets.

Now if people made bonafide death threats of some sort.....that's one thing. But acting in a defensive manner against an aggressor, or pointing guns at someone who pointed them at you first does not rise to the level of a death threat.

[tleeocinca]

^^Agreed, I think if they started rounding up people for acting in a defensive manner against an aggressor, or pointing guns at someone who pointed them at you first would have the same results as if the BLM would have fired first in Nevada.

[diverwcw]

Incidents like this are leading up to the tipping point and the government will fire on unarmed crowds. It will happen sooner rather than later.

[Lifeon2whls]

I think it would send a VERY bad message if they started rounding people up after the fact.......especially since the Gov't was the aggressor. It would be a great way of making BLM rangers in the field walking targets.

Now if people made bonafide death threats of some sort.....that's one thing. But acting in a defensive manner against an aggressor, or pointing guns at someone who pointed them at you first does not rise to the level of a death threat.

Rounding people up after the fact is SOP. After the LA Riots, they were using all manner of footage to round people up. There were numerous "peaceful" riots at a school I went to and they confiscated cameras, etc and rounded people up that way. Look at any mass gathering that has the potential to get out of control and there are LEOs there photographing as many people in the crowd as they can so they can nab you later.

A word to the wise...if you're ever in such a situation, cover you're face and any thing that may ID you. This applies even if you are opposed to whatever is going on...you will be lumped in with the crowd and have to spend money to defend yourself later.

[tleeocinca]

lol, from the video and images shown at the bundy ranch.. I think a lot of those people have already spent their money on defense and they had it on display there.

[NYT]

doubt that trials happen, this is a pr stunt imo. too many people would be pissed off and tensions would rise extremely fast outside the courthouse and inside.

[Untamed1972]

Rounding people up after the fact is SOP. After the LA Riots, they were using all manner of footage to round people up. There were numerous "peaceful" riots at a school I went to and they confiscated cameras, etc and rounded people up that way. Look at any mass gathering that has the potential to get out of control and there are LEOs there photographing as many people in the crowd as they can so they can nab you later.

A word to the wise...if you're ever in such a situation, cover you're face and any thing that may ID you. This applies even if you are opposed to whatever is going on...you will be lumped in with the crowd and have to spend money to defend yourself later.

I think it's a stretch to compare the Bundy situation to the LA riots though.

I certainly have no doubt the Gov't was taking as many pics and plates numbers and everything else as they could. But if they start rounding people up or kicking in doors.....the only message that will be sent is "If you exercise your rights and stand up to your Gov't....we will make you PAY!" That would be a VERY bad message to send....because next time those peaceful protesters will see no point in remaining peaceful. They will just start shooting, because dead agents cant gather intel to use against you later.

[ENTHUSIAST]

Plainclothes on the bridge taking pics of dummy with ar aiming at leos thru gap in k rail. He is toast.

It was an AK and his name is Eric Parker he is from Idaho and he is a Patriot not a dummy. He also joined Calguns and commented here on the event.

The BLM were there that day as agents of the Govt showing up to get a paycheck. The brave men and women that stood with Cliven Bundy that day were ready to die for the cause of Freedom and Liberty.

It is a shame that people like you cannot appreciate what a significant victory for the People of the United States that day was. I guess you wanted the BLM to help Harry Reid build his Chinese Solar Farm???

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/BLM-Cliven_Bundy-Tresspass_Cattle-Cached%282%29.jpg

[Lifeon2whls]

I think it's a stretch to compare the Bundy situation to the LA riots though.

I certainly have no doubt the Gov't was taking as many pics and plates numbers and everything else as they could. But if they start rounding people up or kicking in doors.....the only message that will be sent is "If you exercise your rights and stand up to your Gov't....we will make you PAY!" That would be a VERY bad message to send....because next time those peaceful protesters will see no point in remaining peaceful. They will just start shooting, because dead agents cant gather intel to use against you later.

We see this as a peaceful protest. However, I personally do not believe the govt does. Protestors pointed guns at LEOs, which is typically seen as a direct threat. They may not have fired any shots but they were armed and aiming those guns in the direction that mattered. In most situations, if a LEO was doing something to violate your liberty and you pointed a gun at that person, they would take that as a violent action and most likely return fire. Luckily for everyone involved, the LEOs and protestors did not escalate to that level.

Is it a stretch to compare to the LA Riots, sure...however the fact of the matter here is that you do something THEY dont like and they will be coming after you once the crowd disperses. They don't want to incite anything while they try to round up everyone at the gathering.

[Ocguy31]

I doubt there was a predator overhead because it is civilian airspace and there are very limited areas in which they can fly. Not saying FBI didn't force some commercial reroute so they could fly there and if they had a Predator overhead, the quality of the photos are plenty good to identify individuals..

A Predator is a very large AGM-capable military drone, and you are correct about that.

But there were absolutely smaller drones, most likely from HLS flying overhead. They made a no-fly zone for 3+ days so they could fly them with impunity.

Also, it is very likely that a drone is what was jamming the cell-phones in that specific area.

[Ocguy31]

I think they are going to have to release visual evidence of someone directly aiming at the BLM in order for charges to stick.

I have not heard of or seen anyone in the line on the ground doing so until now. The famous picture from that day showing the men on horseback with the crowd did now appear to have any long-guns visibly aimed.

As far as the pics from the overpass, unless that individual made statements online or to media or LEO that could be used against him, how could you prove what he was aiming at?

[Untamed1972]

We see this as a peaceful protest. However, I personally do not believe the govt does. Protestors pointed guns at LEOs, which is typically seen as a direct threat. They may not have fired any shots but they were armed and aiming those guns in the direction that mattered. In most situations, if a LEO was doing something to violate your liberty and you pointed a gun at that person, they would take that as a violent action and most likely return fire. Luckily for everyone involved, the LEOs and protestors did not escalate to that level.

Is it a stretch to compare to the LA Riots, sure...however the fact of the matter here is that you do something THEY dont like and they will be coming after you once the crowd disperses. They don't want to incite anything while they try to round up everyone at the gathering.

I completely agree, of course the Gov't and LEOs don't like it, they've had a decades long run of intimidation and monopoly of force.....until now that is, but my point is that them rounding up, or attempting to round up people after the fact WILL incite further action. And should there be another protest of some sort....people will show up....faces covered as you stated.....and just start shooting.

Basic insurgency tactics will start coming into play. If you have every reason to believe they will just come for you later in the dead of night, and kill your dog and terrorize your family.....they leave you little other option than to take them down now.

I'm certainly not advocating for anything.....I'm just laying out what the likely, logical progression will be.