IL: GOA vs Raoul 7th Circuit Upholds Illinois Assault Weapons Ban

[AlmostHeaven]

I think part of the issue is Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization and the furious left-wing reactions have scared several members of the Supreme Court into "moderation" and incrementalism.

[Sgt Raven]

[Sgt Raven]

Plaintiffs filing for en banc hearing. Not sure how I feel about this. Is it just another delay?

[AlmostHeaven]

The plaintiffs are gun rights organizations, so I doubt they would choose this route if it led to nothing but further delays.

[Dan_Eastvale]

The 2A was written when it MEANT ownership and bearing the same arms the militaries have.

Otherwise how could you rebel against and defeat the Crown (hostile administration)????

Tiptoeing around this is ridiculous

[AlmostHeaven]

Indeed, military arms are the entire point of the Second Amendment.

[okkleiner]

Illinois State Representative: Dan Caulkins, has petitioned SCOTUS to review the state Supreme Court's decision to uphold the law on due process, equal protection and Second Amendment grounds. The petition also mentions two justices on the case who received campaign endorsements and funds from those in favor of the Assault Weapons Ban, leading Caulkins to question their impartiality and independence in the case.

I tried to find a less anti-gun article:

https://foxillinois.com/news/local/illinois-assault-weapons-ban-faces-new-challenge-state-representative-petitions-us-supreme-court-for-review

[M1NM]

the deciding factor is some mysterious line where weapons are either military type or civilian type and they court said AW fall on the military side of the line...therefore not covered by 2A. Not sure where that test comes from?

Exactly there is not test - the 2A is simple and as today everything then was usable by the military. Let's not forget our military still has bolt action sniper rifles making every deer hunter with a 700 Remington in possession of military hardware. PETA is sure to get on board with stopping hunters sniping at Bambi.

[Epaphroditus]

Weapons suitable for militia duty "test" comes from SCOTUS in Miller case. They seemed short barreled shotguns were not suitable for military use.

The "military grade weapons" can be banned argument comes from place dark and stinky and runs counter to every 2A SCOTUS decision - best one can argue is "dangerous and unusual" which might apply to grenades, etc. Even though I believe such a standard or test is on flimsy grounds.

[riderr]

Weapons suitable for militia duty "test" comes from SCOTUS in Miller case. They seemed short barreled shotguns were not suitable for military use.

The "military grade weapons" can be banned argument comes from place dark and stinky and runs counter to every 2A SCOTUS decision - best one can argue is "dangerous and unusual" which might apply to grenades, etc. Even though I believe such a standard or test is on flimsy grounds.

Glocks are adopted by some special force units. Does it make it a military issue?

[TrappedinCalifornia]

From the OP article quote...

Illinois' law bans the sale of assault weapons and caps the purchase of magazines at 10 rounds for long guns and 15 for handguns. Anyone who already owns the banned guns is allowed to keep them but required to register them with the Illinois State Police by Jan. 1.

There appears to be either "Irish Democracy" playing out or concern that it will in Illinois.

With less than 6 weeks before deadline, 3,400 gun owners have registered guns covered by Illinois ban

...Registration began Oct. 1, and through Nov. 21, 3,439 owners had registered nearly 6,600 guns they owned before those firearms became illegal to possess or sell in Illinois, according to state records.

While the degree of compliance is impossible to determine, the number of people who had registered through Nov. 21 represented just 0.001% of the 2.4 million people holding Illinois firearm owner?s identification cards, the state-mandated permits that authorize residents to own guns. FOID card owners might not own guns not covered by the ban, or have any guns at all...

But earlier this year, some law enforcement officials declared they had no intention of going after those who violate the law. After Pritzker signed the gun ban into law, an estimated 90 of Illinois' 102 county sheriffs issued letters stating they "believe that (the new gun law) is a clear violation of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution? and that they wouldn?t enforce it...

It's unclear how many Illinoisans own semi-automatic guns that are now banned. According to the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a firearms industry trade group mounting one of the legal challenges to Illinois' gun ban, there have been more than 24 million modern sporting rifles in circulation in the U.S. since the early 1990s, including many AR-15- and AK-47-type guns that are subject to the ban in Illinois.

On Nov. 3, the day after Pritzker's appearance in Lake Forest with Morgan and Morrison, a three-judge panel from the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld Illinois' gun ban in a 2-1 ruling, rejecting an argument that it violates the Second Amendment but leaving the door open for opponents to make a more compelling case as the legal battle continues...

[AlmostHeaven]

Liberals creating sanctuary cities that refuse to enforce immigration and drug laws have set the precedent for conservative regions to dutifully stop enforcing gun control.

[Dirtlaw]

Almost glad I'm old. Everything comes into perspective. If it weren't for the pain it might be good.

[AlmostHeaven]

Hang in there. I understand why many may feel hopelessly pessimistic, but I think genuine progress will come within the next 5 years.

The most conservative Supreme Court composition in my lifetime has only existed for 3 years. The judiciary always moves the most slowly of the three branches of government.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

US Supreme Court is again asked to block Illinois assault weapons ban

An Illinois firearms retailer and a national gun rights group on Wednesday asked the U.S. Supreme Court for a second time to block a Democratic-backed state ban on assault-style rifles and large capacity magazines enacted after a deadly mass shooting in Chicago's Highland Park suburb in 2022.

The National Association for Gun Rights, Robert Bevis and his firearms store, Law Weapons & Supply, made the request after a lower court denied their bid for a preliminary injunction against the ban, as well as a similar ban enacted by another Chicago suburb, Naperville...