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  • #31
    Epaphroditus
    Veteran Member
    • Sep 2013
    • 4888

    Just how wrong was Madison?

    "Madison dismisses as highly unlikely the chances of the federal government being able to raise an army powerful enough to overcome all the state militias."
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    • #32
      BAJ475
      Calguns Addict
      • Jul 2014
      • 5040

      Originally posted by Epaphroditus
      Just how wrong was Madison?

      "Madison dismisses as highly unlikely the chances of the federal government being able to raise an army powerful enough to overcome all the state militias."
      Maybe, maybe not. While there is no debate that the federal government has a very powerful army, every member of that army swore an oath to defend the Constitution. So how does that army defeat the state militias when they have sworn to fight for the same cause?

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      • #33
        IronsightsRifleman
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2020
        • 800

        If we're now calling journalists scientists we might as well call opinions theories.

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        • #34
          BB1776
          Member
          • Aug 2016
          • 439

          Originally posted by nick
          Then we got the 14th Amendment.
          Precisely. It?s not authoritarianism, it?s extreme federalism. Just as other rights were incorporated so, too, must the 2nd.

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          • #35
            Urban Achiever
            Member
            • Dec 2014
            • 244

            She pulled that stuff out of her ***. One simply has to read about the Constitutional Convention, the debate between the Federalists and Anti Federalists and the fear that the Anti Federalists had in regards to an overly powerful Federal government. The Bill of Rights are individual rights to protect against abuse of authority in order to get everyone on board with the Constitution. Also, the Enlightenment philosophers of that time which influenced the creators of our Constitution were strong advocates of individual rights, not collectivism.

            I think these clowns are trying to make up some kind of historical tradition argument by propping up these straw men in response to the Bruen opinion.

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            • #36
              AlmostHeaven
              Veteran Member
              • Apr 2023
              • 3808

              Originally posted by Urban Achiever
              She pulled that stuff out of her ***. One simply has to read about the Constitutional Convention, the debate between the Federalists and Anti Federalists and the fear that the Anti Federalists had in regards to an overly powerful Federal government. The Bill of Rights are individual rights to protect against abuse of authority in order to get everyone on board with the Constitution. Also, the Enlightenment philosophers of that time which influenced the creators of our Constitution were strong advocates of individual rights, not collectivism.

              I think these clowns are trying to make up some kind of historical tradition argument by propping up these straw men in response to the Bruen opinion.
              Several liberal lower courts have fought hard to enter expert testimony from "trained historians" into the record on gun rights cases. Many academics and scholars, particularly within humanities majors, lean extremely strongly to the left and would passionately invent entirely new theories exclusively to support upholding gun control laws.

              This professor has done exactly that.
              A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

              The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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              • #37
                Rickybillegas
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2022
                • 1527

                Originally posted by AlmostHeaven
                Several liberal lower courts have fought hard to enter expert testimony from "trained historians" into the record on gun rights cases. Many academics and scholars, particularly within humanities majors, lean extremely strongly to the left and would passionately invent entirely new theories exclusively to support upholding gun control laws.

                This professor has done exactly that.
                And all these 'professors' are very hard at work with great consternation over HELLER and BRUEN.

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                • #38
                  Offwidth
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2018
                  • 1226

                  Originally posted by AlmostHeaven
                  Several liberal lower courts have fought hard to enter expert testimony from "trained historians" into the record on gun rights cases. Many academics and scholars, particularly within humanities majors, lean extremely strongly to the left and would passionately invent entirely new theories exclusively to support upholding gun control laws.

                  This professor has done exactly that.
                  It is not an entirely new theory.

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                  • #39
                    AlmostHeaven
                    Veteran Member
                    • Apr 2023
                    • 3808

                    Originally posted by Offwidth
                    It is not an entirely new theory.
                    The theories may not be entirely new, but NYSRPA v. Bruen elevated the significance of historians, Founding Era scholars, and academic experts to an unprecedented degree.

                    The Second Amendment community has a new front to engage, the issue of anti-gun expert witnesses misrepresenting historical analogues to justify upholding the constitutionality of gun control laws. Already, liberal courts have begun relying on legal briefs poisoned by testimony from these people.
                    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

                    The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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                    • #40
                      Rickybillegas
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2022
                      • 1527

                      Because text/history/tradition as defined by Bruen supersedes 'balancing interest', so lets torture and contort the historical record to get what we want, and we know the friendly district courts will very likely go along.

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                      • #41
                        AlmostHeaven
                        Veteran Member
                        • Apr 2023
                        • 3808

                        Originally posted by Rickybillegas
                        Because text/history/tradition as defined by Bruen supersedes 'balancing interest', so lets torture and contort the historical record to get what we want, and we know the friendly district courts will very likely go along.
                        For authoritarians, the conclusion of "civilian gun ownership is bad and should be restricted" never changes. The only variable is how to reach the pre-determined result.
                        A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

                        The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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