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  • Bhobbs
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Feb 2009
    • 11846

    7th circuit just stayed the injunction.

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    • ritter
      Senior Member
      • May 2011
      • 805

      Originally posted by Bhobbs
      7th circuit just stayed the injunction.
      CA2 and CA7 in open rebellion against Bruen. CA9 will be as soon as it gets a chance.

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      • TTT
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2005
        • 888

        Easterbrook is a long-time anti-gun scumbag. He will do anything to prop up the gun-haters.
        Dr. Goldstein showed us the way. We dropped the ball. Pick up the ball.

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        • Sgt Raven
          Veteran Member
          • Dec 2005
          • 3783

          "Judge Easterbrook, frankly is such a famous guy, in his own mind".


          That ii a solid burn from Mark Smith, right there...




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          DILLIGAF
          "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, but don't rule out malice"
          "Once is Happenstance, Twice is Coincidence, Thrice is Enemy Action"
          "The flak is always heaviest, when you're over the target"

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          • TruOil
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2017
            • 1929

            [QUOTE=Sgt Raven;27816782]"Judge Easterbrook, frankly is such a famous guy, in his own mind".

            I thought the expression was "a legend in his own mind..." Being "a legend" he cannot possibly be wrong, nor can he be persuaded that he even might be wrong. This ruling was set in stone upon its issuance, and the call for further argument on his prior cases (both overruled) is simply his way of attacking plaintiffs' counsel and wasting their time and plaintiffs' money.

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            • Sgt Raven
              Veteran Member
              • Dec 2005
              • 3783

              Originally posted by TruOil
              Originally posted by Sgt Raven
              "Judge Easterbrook, frankly is such a famous guy, in his own mind".
              I thought the expression was "a legend in his own mind..." Being "a legend" he cannot possibly be wrong, nor can he be persuaded that he even might be wrong. This ruling was set in stone upon its issuance, and the call for further argument on his prior cases (both overruled) is simply his way of attacking plaintiffs' counsel and wasting their time and plaintiffs' money.

              I was quoting Mark Smith from his video...
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              DILLIGAF
              "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, but don't rule out malice"
              "Once is Happenstance, Twice is Coincidence, Thrice is Enemy Action"
              "The flak is always heaviest, when you're over the target"

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              • TruOil
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2017
                • 1929

                Originally posted by Sgt Raven
                I was quoting Mark Smith from his video...
                I knew that. Smith got it wrong.

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                • Sgt Raven
                  Veteran Member
                  • Dec 2005
                  • 3783

                  More from Mark Smith on Judge Easterbrook...




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                  DILLIGAF
                  "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, but don't rule out malice"
                  "Once is Happenstance, Twice is Coincidence, Thrice is Enemy Action"
                  "The flak is always heaviest, when you're over the target"

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                  • TrappedinCalifornia
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jan 2018
                    • 8190

                    The 7th Circuit Appeal seems to have it's own thread, for now.

                    See... NAGR, et al v. City of Naperville - Appeal for Injuction to Justice Barrett

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                    • TrappedinCalifornia
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Jan 2018
                      • 8190

                      Who would'a thunk it?... GOP lawmakers say lack of guidance from attorney general puts gun buyers in legal jeopardy

                      A group of Republican state lawmakers said Wednesday that a lack of guidance from the Illinois attorney general's office after a federal court in southern Illinois temporarily put the state's sweeping gun ban on hold late last month has left residents who bought high-powered firearms prohibited under the law in legal jeopardy...

                      Guidance has since been posted to the Illinois State Police website that says purchases made during the six days the injunction was in place remain subject to the ban.

                      That means sellers can't deliver guns and magazines that were ordered during that time period, and buyers who already received their purchases cannot legally possess them.

                      Republicans in the state Senate are criticizing Attorney General Kwame Raoul and Gov. J.B. Pritzker, both Chicago Democrats, for failing to provide that guidance before the appeals court made its ruling...

                      At the same time, Raoul spokeswoman Annie Thompson acknowledged the office has not provided any help to consumers and gun shop owners who have been whipsawed by a host of legal challenges and court rulings that have created confusion about where the ban stands at any given moment...

                      "Our guidance to customers right now is to sit tight. This thing is not over," said Eldridge, who also heads Federal Firearm Licensees of Illinois, a gun dealer advocacy group. "Something's going to break here very soon in the next week or two, and then we'll be able to deliver your property to you as occurred before."...
                      In short... mass confusion... where Democrats dictatorially declare "You can't... period..." and Republicans claim "We'll get your property to you when..."

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                      • Bhobbs
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 11846

                        All of this is why SCOTUS has to act. Some district court judges have adopted Bruen but others have not, and the circuit courts show no signs of adopting Bruen.

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                        • TrappedinCalifornia
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Jan 2018
                          • 8190

                          Originally posted by Bhobbs
                          All of this is why SCOTUS has to act. Some district court judges have adopted Bruen but others have not, and the circuit courts show no signs of adopting Bruen.
                          Oh... But there's more... Illinois House considers more gun restrictions, even as weapons ban faces court challenges

                          Illinois lawmakers are considering further legislation restricting the possession and marketing of firearms, even as state and federal courts are weighing the constitutionality of an assault weapons ban passed in January.

                          On Wednesday, the Illinois House passed a bill that would subject firearms manufacturers and dealers to the state's Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business Practices Act, restricting them from using certain marketing strategies.

                          "The Firearm Industry Responsibility Act, House Bill 218, is designed to hold gun manufacturers accountable and ensure that families devastated by gun violence have a path to justice in Illinois civil courts," Rep. Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz, D-Glenview, the bill's lead sponsor, said during floor debate...

                          The bill passed the House on a partisan vote of 71-40 and was sent to the Senate for consideration. But it may not be the only gun-related bill lawmakers consider in the waning days of the spring session.

                          Still awaiting action in the House is House Bill 676 by Rep. Maura Hirschauer, D-Batavia. That bill contains several provisions, including one that would require people who are subject to a domestic violence order of protection to surrender their weapons to a local law enforcement agency. Current law only requires them to transfer their weapons to someone with a valid Firearm Owners Identification card.

                          The bill also would create a task force to study the feasibility of requiring gun owners to carry liability insurance...
                          In other words, it's not just some of the district court judges. It's also the state legislatures, the governors, the Left, and a whole lot of others in an almost open "thumb your nose" at SCOTUS now that it's dominated by "Right Wing" Justices. In a sense, it's time for a smack down by SCOTUS; but, who will enforce it?

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                          • TruOil
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2017
                            • 1929

                            I do not get legislators' fascination with liability insurance. In not one of our fifty states or territories does a liability insurance policy cover intentional torts. It will cover if someone is shot accidentally, but my recollection is that there are only about 1000 accidental shootings a year nationwide, and most of those are hunting accidents or kids shooting themselves or others with improperly stored firearms. I suspect that accidental shootings fall within the scope of a homeowner's policy coverage. So NOTHING will be accomplished except increasing the cost of gun ownership.

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                            • EM2
                              Veteran Member
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 4612

                              Originally posted by TruOil
                              I do not get legislators' fascination with liability insurance. In not one of our fifty states or territories does a liability insurance policy cover intentional torts. It will cover if someone is shot accidentally, but my recollection is that there are only about 1000 accidental shootings a year nationwide, and most of those are hunting accidents or kids shooting themselves or others with improperly stored firearms. I suspect that accidental shootings fall within the scope of a homeowner's policy coverage. So NOTHING will be accomplished except increasing the cost of gun ownership.
                              And that IS the point, harassment of law abiding gun owners.
                              Absolutely NONE of the gun laws are actually intended to solve some problem, they may say that is the case, but they are either gaslighting or out right lying.
                              All gun laws are about disarming the public, whether they do it by banning guns directly or by harassing gun owners, then end goal is disarmament.
                              "duck the femocrats" Originally posted by M76

                              If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim. Col. Jeff Cooper

                              Originally posted by SAN compnerd
                              It's the flu for crying out loud, just stop.

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                              • Bhobbs
                                I need a LIFE!!
                                • Feb 2009
                                • 11846

                                Originally posted by TrappedinCalifornia
                                Oh... But there's more... Illinois House considers more gun restrictions, even as weapons ban faces court challenges



                                In other words, it's not just some of the district court judges. It's also the state legislatures, the governors, the Left, and a whole lot of others in an almost open "thumb your nose" at SCOTUS now that it's dominated by "Right Wing" Justices. In a sense, it's time for a smack down by SCOTUS; but, who will enforce it?
                                SCOTUS allowed lower courts and states to run wild for more than a decade after Heller. They cannot afford to repeat that mistake with Bruen.

                                We the people have to enforce it. The constitution is just paper. SCOTUS rulings are just paper. The power ultimately comes from the people.

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