Is the Catholic Church (in America) anti-RKBA?

[Paladin]

I'm asking about their public policy position, not their theology, thus I'm not posting this in the "Discussions of Faith" forum.

The Catholic Diocese of Salt Lake City has opposed previous "constitutional carry" measures and hasn't changed its position with respect to Perry's bill.

"The Catholic Diocese recognizes the constitutional right to have guns in your home for self-defense. However, the Second Amendment does not grant unfettered rights, and as with all rights, there are also responsibilities. One such requirement is that you undergo a background check if you want to carry a deadly weapon in public spaces," the Salt Lake Diocese said in a statement.

"Rep. Perry's bill [i.e., Constitutional Carry] fosters a culture that devalues life, eliminates common sense protections for public safety, and promotes a culture of intimidation and death," the statement continued.

From:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865671622/Lawmaker-resurrects-push-for-constitutional-carry-bill.html

Have other dioceses in America fought against us politically? Or is this something new?

[rman]

Here in Texas, the Bishop of Dallas and Ft Worth banned Open and Concealed when OC became legal last year.

Before OC was legalized in TX, there was no ban (on CC).

I can understand 30.07 (no open carry), but in those cases they should allow CC.

Not so much a political fight, as it is a ban on carrying on cburch grounds.

Many Christian Pastors out here carry themselves.

Sent from my Sig Sauer

[Paladin]

Here in Texas, the Bishop of Dallas and Ft Worth banned Open and Concealed when OC became legal last year.

Before OC was legalized in TX, there was no ban (on CC).

I can understand 30.07 (no open carry), but in those cases they should allow CC.

Not so much a political fight, as it is a ban on carrying on cburch grounds.

Many Christian Pastors out here carry themselves.

That's the key difference: although I personally disagree with such a ban, what rules they want for their own property is their own business.

Did those bishops/dioceses come out against OC when it was being debated in TX?

Is this Catholic anti-RKBA sentiment in UT an outlier or a sign of things to come elsewhere too?

[lowimpactuser]

I'm asking about their public policy position, not their theology, thus I'm not posting this in the "Discussions of Faith" forum.

From:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865671622/Lawmaker-resurrects-push-for-constitutional-carry-bill.html

Have other dioceses in America fought against us politically? Or is this something new?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Pfleger#Controversy_during_anti-gun_protests

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/26/us/politics/catholics-raise-issue-of-guns-amid-call-to-end-abortion.html

http://www.guns.com/2015/06/22/pope-says-weapon-makers-cant-call-themselves-christian/

http://www.uscatholic.org/blog/201304/gun-control-pro-life-issue-27145

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/pro.gun.catholics.upset.at.dallas.catholic.dioceses.decision.to.ban.guns.in.churches/76719.htm

http://lawnews.tv/orange-county-diocese-gun-control/

https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-usa/2016/06/13/catholic-church-say-gun-control/

Catholicism allows people of virtually ANY position to be a member of the church. It doesn't mean that the church doesn't have an unofficial position, just that they haven't gone ahead and codified it. Actions speak louder than words, and the continued drumbeat and lack of censure of the most outspoken people still in power SHOULD say something.

No, there's no "official" anti-gun position. I challenge you to find one diocese that is pro-gun though. You can find me priests, but I challenge you to find me one catholic authority higher than a priest that is pro-gun.

The last link (cruxnow) is the most concise and gives you a good timeline/overhead view.

[osis32]

the Catholic crutch is very much anti gun. I got bad grades in school for having a common sense approach to guns and defense. the teachers were also very socialist but the sports coaches weren't.

[71MUSTY]

Short fat Penguins always hit me with the ruler, never used a gun.





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[GM4spd]

Nothing would surprise me when it comes to the Catholic Church after seeing
this latest Pope. His embrace of Obama and his injection into world affairs
including climate change shows church leadership has lost its way. You
don't have to look back far in history to see the criminal acts of the Vatican,
either. During WW2 Pope Pius was involved with Nazi Germany in a bad way.
This involvement cost a lot of innocent lives. The Church should stick to the
Bible and the word of God.

[Jimi Jah]

Even Catholics don't care what the pope says. They do their own thing, get divorced, abort kids, take birth control, etc.

[gumby]

Even Catholics don't care what the pope says. They do their own thing, get divorced, abort kids, take birth control, etc.

This^^^^^^^and my brother is a priest (monsignor), he carries a glock 23.

[guntrust]

Our catechism and history support armed self-defense (google "The Catholic Second Amendment" by David Kopel).

But the bishops, including the Bishop of Rome, often like to do their own thing.

[gogohopper]

The catholic hierarchy is evil.

[a1c]

Let's keep one thing in mind here to put things in perspective: the Catholic Church - unlike many Protestant denominations which count a large following in the U.S. - has been around long before the U.S.

The Second Amendment is not much more than a faint blip on the Vatican's radar. They don't have an official position about it because it's a very U.S.-centric issue. Also because the people high up in the U.S. Catholic clergy know that their flock is split on the matter.

[lowimpactuser]

Let's keep one thing in mind here to put things in perspective: the Catholic Church - unlike many Protestant denominations which count a large following in the U.S. - has been around long before the U.S.

The Second Amendment is not much more than a faint blip on the Vatican's radar. They don't have an official position about it because it's a very U.S.-centric issue. Also because the people high up in the U.S. Catholic clergy know that their flock is split on the matter.

They clearly have an UNofficial position though.

It's not exactly like they're neutral, just no papal bull or invocation ex cathedra doesn't meant there's an overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence towards an unofficial position. The links above are just the tip of the iceberg. To imagine that the vatican, which is allied with open borders and against capitalism, doesn't have an opinion on gun rights, which basically are tied to maintaining borders and protecting capital/land, well...

And note from my last link above:

they HAVE taken public positions in the past- banning handguns and the like. They are literally like the democrats- backed away from inflammatory rhetoric, but clearly their sympathies haven't changed, just their public statements.

[freonr22]

The current Catholic Church in America ... Is not recognized by me or many. I pray for the (many) popes souls since the 50s

[GlockN'Roll]

Even Catholics don't care what the pope says.

They do their own thing, get divorced, abort kids, take birth control, etc.

After years of fighting birth control,

what kind of pope tells Catholics not to have so many kids?

https://www.ncronline.org/news/francis-lambasts-international-aid-suggests-catholics-should-limit-children