Constitutional Carry bills for *2017* (24 states trying: 02 wins, 16 fails)

[Paladin]

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/bill_status.aspx?lsr=140&sy=2017&sortoption=&txtsessionyear=2017&txtbillnumber=SB12&q=1

In just 2 weeks the NH senate just passed ConCarry bill.

Next it heads to the NH House.

At this rate, it will probably be signed by the NH governor by Valentine's Day.

4 Effective Date. This act shall take effect upon its passage.

[press1280]

Virginia is also advancing a ConCarry bill, although I don't see any way this overcomes the sure veto of Terry McAuliffe: http://www.roanoke.com/news/virginia...191027879.html

[Paladin]

When do we expect to see a house vote on the NH Con-carry bill?

My *guess* is it will be transmitted/transferred/whatever to their House tomorrow. Usually an upper chamber takes longer to pass a bill, but here their senate took only 2 weeks, so I'll assume 2 weeks for the lower chamber too. That brings us to ~Feb 6th.

Since their new gov made supporting and signing ConCarry legislation a plank in his platform, I think the odds are good ConCarry will be "the law of the land" in NH by Valentine's Day (Feb 14th).

You can easily follow its progress at:

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/bill_status.aspx?lsr=140&sy=2017&sortoption=&txtsessionyear=2017&txtbillnumber=SB12&q=1

What people have to remember is that many states have only part-time legislatures (3 or 4 months of the year), so things move FAST compared to CA or the federal legislature.

Virginia is also advancing a ConCarry bill, although I don't see any way this overcomes the sure veto of Terry McAuliffe: http://www.roanoke.com/news/virginia...191027879.html

Thx. Added to the OP list.

[Paladin]

When do we expect to see a house vote on the NH Con-carry bill?

Look at what NH posted today:

House Status


Status IN COMMITTEE
Status Date
Current Committee Criminal Justice and Public Safety
Committee of Referral Criminal Justice and Public Safety
Date Introduced 1/5/2017
Due out of Committee 5/25/2017
Floor Date

They expect it to languish in a House cmte for 5 months?!!!

That doesn't make sense. It was introduced into the Senate, passed a cmte vote and a floor vote all within 2 weeks.

I sure hope that date is just some sort of place holder.

Time will tell....

[Paladin]

NH update:

Next/Last Hearing: HOUSE Criminal Justice and Public Safety

Date: 02/01/2017

Time: 10:00 AM

Place: Offsite Room 9999

[press1280]

Looks like NM is the first casualty http://www.newschannel10.com/story/3...un-regulations

[gunsandrockets]

Escape! Flee to Free America. Because California really is out to get you

Gun rights and freedoms are spreading across the country like wildfire. Meanwhile, here in California, the iron grip tightens and what little rights we have left are stripped away with each legislative session. I hate this state.

Exactly right.

[gunsandrockets]

What National Review has to say about this years prospects for CC

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444212/constitutional-carry-states-adopting

Very interesting and very hopeful

[Paladin]

Looks like NM is the first casualty http://www.newschannel10.com/story/3...un-regulations

No, it has just been shelved, not killed. Plus, there's another form of the bill going for a state constitutional amendment.

Don't get me wrong: I do NOT expect NM to go ConCarry this year. But the bills are still technically alive.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...tates-adopting

Very interesting and very hopeful

I like the quote they had from Dr. John Lott (emphasis added below):

States that are about to pass these laws include: Indiana, Kentucky, New Hampshire, North Dakota, and South Dakota. Tennessee is considering allowing “open carry” without a permit, though that is already quite common in most states. Other states that are considering this legislation, but are unlikely to pass Constitutional Carry, include: Colorado (won’t pass legislature and would be vetoed by governor), Minnesota (Governor would veto), Texas (unlikely to get out of the state legislature), and Utah (Governor would likely veto again).

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...tates-adopting

[wireless]

Lott didn't include Iowa in his analysis, and I think at this moment we have a really, really good shot with Iowa. This is the most conservative the state has been in a long time and their governor is pro-2a from what we have seen.

I'm not sold on Kentucky, ND, or SD passing CC this year. Kentucky got basically no where last year, but maybe they will be more willing after 2016 election and upcoming midterms. One of the two or both Dakota's still ban devices that increase the rate of fire of a semi automatic firearm. South Dakota's governor vetoed the transgender bathroom bill. My point is until the governor's voice their opinion on CC, I don't think we will have much of an idea of how the legislature is going to vote. I think Lott underestimates how much power the head of state legislature committees have in these states and their unwillingness to pass anything pro-2a that's slightly controversial.

I hope I am wrong though and 2016 opened the floodgates to constitutional carry.

[Paladin]

Gun rights bills enter Minnesota’s House — how far will they get?

As the Legislature warms up, House Republicans have authored a series of strong gun rights bills — though it remains unclear how much traction they’ll get in the Senate, and some have earned a veto from Gov. Mark Dayton in prior years.

But the members behind the bills feel there’s momentum this year — and proponents and opponents on the sidelines see this push as a particularly strong one.

“I think nationally, maybe because of fear or terrorism or crime, there’s more interest than ever,” said Rep. Tony Cornish, R-Vernon Center, a gun rights advocate who chairs the pivotal public safety committee and has authored one of the bills.

<snip>

Marit Brock, a volunteer chapter leader with Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, sees the constitutional carry and “stand your ground bills” as part of a national effort.

“These same bills (are) being introduced all over the country,” Brock said.

Her group has been mobilizing against them by calling members “to let them know if they don’t support this, really we’ll have your back.”

THE BILLS

The first of three bills authored so far is the “defense of dwelling and person act” — commonly referred to as the “stand your ground” bill — which technically is not a gun bill, as it doesn’t mention guns.

<snip>

The bill — which currently is the only one with a companion, or similar, bill in the Senate — expands the types of incidents in which it is legal to take another person’s life.

<snip>

Secondly, Cornish himself has authored a bill this session that loosens restrictions for handgun permits — making them good for life (as opposed to having to have them renewed every five years), and cutting the fee for them in half, from $100 to $50.

A third bill takes Cornish’s proposal a step further — known as the “constitutional carry” bill, it eliminates the need for a permit to hold a gun on public property entirely in most cases, though it would allow people to apply for an “optional” permit. It also adds a sentence into the law stating, “The Legislature of the state of Minnesota recognizes and declares that the second amendment of the United States Constitution guarantees the fundamental, individual right to keep and bear arms.”

Finally, Bryan Strawser, with the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus, said his group is working to get a fourth bill allowing for “reciprocity” — recognizing gun permits from other states — introduced. While Strawser said the language has yet to be fully ironed out...

<snip>

PAST EFFORTS

Two of the bills have been introduced in recent years, only to be countered by a veto by Dayton.

The “defense of dwelling” and reciprocity bills were combined into a single piece of legislation that reached the governor’s desk in 2012. At the time, Dayton said he opposed it due to strong concerns from the law enforcement community.

“The Chiefs Association and county attorneys from metro area came out against it. The biggest departments with the most urban crime were adamant that this put officers in danger,” said Metro Transit Police Chief John Harrington, who was a state legislator at the time and often speaks at the Capitol as part of the Minnesota Chiefs of Police Association.

Rep. Jim Nash, R-Waconia, who has authored both the “stand your ground” bill and the “no permit” bill, said he hasn’t seen any evidence of danger to officers in states where similar legislation has been enacted.

<snip>

SETTING PRIORITIES

The bills have yet to get hearings scheduled in the House; Cornish said members have to meet as a group to figure out which of the bills they’ll prioritize. But he sees a welcome environment.

<snip>

On the Senate side, Warren Limmer — who chairs the judiciary committee, through which the bills would likely need to pass — said he’s yet to detect any movement to meet House efforts on anything but the “defense of dwelling” bill.

<snip>

Even with the defense of dwelling bill, Limmer believes “we would more than likely see the same result from the governor. … I guess I have to wonder, if that’s the case, then why would we do it, just from a time-use standard?

“I really didn’t think this year was going to be a year of controversial gun bills,” he added. “It seems like the House is really fixated on that. We’ve got budgets, health care spending, trying to turn the state into an economic engine. I didn’t think we would be focusing on these first before getting to other real priorities.”

More at:

http://www.twincities.com/2017/01/30/gun-rights-bills-enter-minnesotas-house-how-far-will-they-get/

[wireless]

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170130/utah-constitutional-permitless-carry-legislation-to-be-heard-in-house-committee

NRA ILA is calling Utah Bill constitutional carry.

(4) Subsection 76-10-504(1) does not apply to a person 21 years of age or older who
108 may lawfully possess a firearm.

This is the proposed change.

76-10-504(1): http://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Cha...15051220150512

[Paladin]

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2017...ouse-committee

NRA ILA is calling Utah Bill constitutional carry.



This is the proposed change.

76-10-504(1): http://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Cha...15051220150512

I have that in the OP but under the Honorable Mentions since it only allows UNloaded ConCarry. See linked story in the OP. Unloaded ConCarry does not satisfy the criteria I'm using(see OP for my criteria).

FWIW the 2nd link you provided goes to the current penalties law, not the bill that is being proposed.

[wireless]

Where are you getting this unloaded thing from? Here is the PC:

76-10-504. Carrying concealed firearm -- Penalties.
(1) Except as provided in Section 76-10-503 and in Subsections (2), (3), and (4), a person who carries a concealed firearm, as defined in Section 76-10-501, including an unloaded firearm on his or her person or one that is readily accessible for immediate use which is not securely encased, as defined in this part, in or on a place other than the person's residence, property, a vehicle in the person's lawful possession, or a vehicle, with the consent of the individual who is lawfully in possession of the vehicle, or business under the person's control is guilty of a class B misdemeanor.

Including means loaded and unloaded.

The article you quoted is mistaken. You can even look at the 2013 bill and see it applies to loaded firearms. NRA calls this a constitutional carry bill and PC specifies it.

[Paladin]

Where are you getting this unloaded thing from?

Article linked in OP for UT under Honorable Mentions.

Here is the PC:



Including means loaded and unloaded.

The article you quoted is mistaken. You can even look at the 2013 bill and see it applies to loaded firearms. NRA calls this a constitutional carry bill and PC specifies it.

The NRA article had only 1 sentence re. the new bill and did not specify loaded or unloaded.

The other link you put was to the current law's penalties, not to the text of the proposed bill.

signing off for tonight