"Study finds consistent link between violent crime and concealed-carry gun permits"

[HarryS]

The only REAL difference between the two is ownership of businesses, where soviet style marxism-leninism has the state owing businesses, WW2 Germany having nominally independent industry, and Zimbabwe, where businesses are privately owned until they become valuable, then they are 'nationalized' (aka stolen) especially (but not exclusively) if they are owned by 'foreign governments' (even China, which no doubt makes them question their 'investments' there).

I own a business, and to me the difference is not meaningful when you have the state telling you what or not you can do. Under an invasive regulatory load, you "own" very little of your business. Definitely qualify as a prole, not a member of the statist club nor an enabler.

And, as you say, the statists decide how much freedom proles have,what they get to own, keep, etc. Zimbabwe is a perfect example, and I reckon Hitler and Das Reich ran the same way, when it came to some people and their businesses. You might "own" your business, but do something displeasing to Das Reich and see what happens.

Not a doctrinal outlook a WF Buckley or other conservative would have.

[Oxnard_Montalvo]

I own a business, and to me the difference is not meaningful when you have the state telling you what or not you can do. Under an invasive regulatory load, you "own" very little of your business. Definitely qualify as a prole, not a member of the statist club nor an enabler.

And, as you say, the statists decide how much freedom proles have,what they get to own, keep, etc. Zimbabwe is a perfect example, and I reckon Hitler and Das Reich ran the same way, when it came to some people and their businesses. You might "own" your business, but do something displeasing to Das Reich and see what happens.

Not a doctrinal outlook a WF Buckley or other conservative would have.

It's likely no accident that all 'flavors' of totalitarianism meet, and all at the bottom of the Nolan chart. In any case we see the beginnings of it here, NOT with a possible President Trump, but with all of the student 'unrest' in many of the universities not all that different than China's Red Guards or Iran's student revolution against the Shah, and we all know how those stories ended ESPECIALLY for the firearm community in general.

[homelessdude]

It goes farther than owning a business. Own your home?? Don't pay the government and see who owns it next year. Own your car??? Don't pay the Gov. ( DMV ) can't use it. Want to build an addition or improvement on your house on your property?? You need GOV. ok and a fee must be payed. Just about every area of an average persons life is controlled by GOV. Wasn't like that seventy five years ago. Libertarians are tired of it. Our GOV. has one job. To protect us from other countries and threats. They can't even do that well.

[Noble Cause]

Actually, places like Vermont which COULD be counted as 100% of the people have CCW's (doesn't really matter if they use or even want them), which dramatically distorts the percentage and perhaps accounts for the odd statistic.

Except Vermont was counted as Zero, with the following notations:

† States where permits not required to carry within the state.
Permits only obtained to carry outside of state.

States where permits not required to carry within the state.
Permits only obtained to carry outside of state. These numbers will
dramatically underestimate the true rate that guns are legally carried
concealed in these states.

State / Active-Permits / Data-Updated
<Top Section Snipped for Brevity >
South Carolina... 229,456 12/13
South Dakota.... 76,600 5/14
Tennessee........ 468,079 5/14
Texas............... 708,048 12/13
Utah*............... 550,663 3/14
Vermont†
Virginia............ 363,274 5/14
Washington...... 456,270 5/14
West Virginia.... 92,000 12/11
Wisconsin......... 212,848 2/14
Wyoming†........ 27,517 2/14

TOTAL 11,113,013

Additionally, the report noted:

The total number of permit holders presented in our report somewhat
underestimate the true number of people who can legally carry concealed
handguns. There are three reasons for this.

1) Permits are not required to carry a concealed handgun in five states and
99.4 percent of Montana. Generally, people only obtain permits in
those states so that they can carry concealed when travelling outside of
their home states. With no requirements, these states undoubtedly
would be the states where people legally carry concealed guns the most
frequently.

2) Data is not readily available for all states. For example, New Hampshire
only collects data for permits issued to non-residents.

3) For some states the data is one or two years old and this misses the
huge recent growth we have seen in the number of permits.

Noble

[RazoE]

Unless this is only for Alaska, I highly doubt that 4.5 % of the adult population holds CCW licenses.

It's actually around 6%

[jwkincal]

Except Vermont was counted as Zero, with the following notations:
Noble

??? that can't possibly be right. If VT=0 then 10 entries of < 1 million each somehow adds up to 11 million?

...you're only showing the portion with VT in it, I suppose.

[leadchucker]

It goes farther than owning a business. Own your home?? Don't pay the government and see who owns it next year. Own your car??? Don't pay the Gov. ( DMV ) can't use it. Want to build an addition or improvement on your house on your property?? You need GOV. ok and a fee must be payed. Just about every area of an average persons life is controlled by GOV. Wasn't like that seventy five years ago. Libertarians are tired of it. Our GOV. has one job. To protect us from other countries and threats. They can't even do that well.

Want to bet? Every single one of the things you mentioned were implemented well before seventy-five years ago! (except I believe you could still use your unregistered car on private property seventy-five years ago)

[Noble Cause]

??? that can't possibly be right. If VT=0 then 10 entries of < 1 million each somehow adds up to 11 million?

...you're only showing the portion with VT in it, I suppose.

The comment was directed at Vermont.

I showed the section with Vermont, showing Zero.

For a listing of all the States, please see the report.


Noble

[Cokebottle]

Typical liberal slam article.

Cause and effect. Rather than taking a serious look at something, the world we live in today simply takes two related things and the presenter aligns the cause/effect to support his bias.

High crime is the cause of high CCW rates.
Shall-issue CCW has shown to reduce crime.

[baggss]

So as the rate of crime increases, more people apply for concealed carry permits.



In other news, the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. Film at 11.

[Thoughts]

You can tell the article is a lie right away because they don't even bother trying to say that concealed weapons permit holders commit the crimes.

[71MUSTY]

Interesting how they used voodoo statistics to remove the effects of any and all other variables, even though they admit they have no idea what other variables there could be, to come up with a conclusion based, well basically based on nothing.