Interfamilial Transfer of off roster gun, 2 hops

[2Aftw]

Let's say my Father In Law has the pistol, say a P365X off roster. He is a CA resident as am I.

How quickly can I do the double hop, from him to my wife (his daughter), then from her to me?

can we file the Interfamilial transfer forms one after the other? time differential? or acknowledgement differential? i.e. do I have wait 2 to 68 weeks or whatever the current 'post pandemic' time it takes to get CA DOJ acknowledgement then send in the next form?

-First time poster (be gentle),
2Aftw

[Librarian]

In theory, you cannot do that legally.

The problem is PC 27515 -

ARTICLE 1. Crimes Relating to Sale, Lease, or Transfer of Firearms [27500 - 27590] ( Article 1 added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. )


27515.

No person, corporation, or dealer shall sell, loan, or transfer a firearm to anyone whom the person, corporation, or dealer knows or has cause to believe is not the actual purchaser or transferee of the firearm, or to anyone who is not the one actually being loaned the firearm, if the person, corporation, or dealer has either of the following:

(a) Knowledge that the firearm is to be subsequently sold, loaned, or transferred to avoid the provisions of Section 27540 or 27545.

(b) Knowledge that the firearm is to be subsequently sold, loaned, or transferred to avoid the requirements of any exemption to the provisions of Section 27540 or 27545.

Penalty is

(c) If any of the following circumstances apply, a violation of this article shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170, or by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment:

(1) A violation of Section 27515, 27520, or subdivision (b) of Section 27500.

- a 'wobbler, could be charged as a misdemeanor but those seem to get charged initially as the 1170(h) felony.

[Quiet]

Let's say my Father In Law has the pistol, say a P365X off roster. He is a CA resident as am I.

Since you are both CA residents, you can both meet at a CA FFL dealer and conduct a PPT (he transfers to you).
PPT of handguns are exempt from needing to be listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale.

You will need to be a non-prohibited person aged 21 or older and will need to have valid proof of identification, valid proof of residency, and a FSC or an exempt to the FSC.

You pay the fees ($37.19 + $10.00 = $47.19), complete the paperwork (4473/DROS), and undergo a 10 day wait.
Afterwards, the handgun is legally yours and registered to you in AFS.

[BAJ475]

In theory, you cannot do that legally.

The problem is PC 27515 -

Penalty is - a 'wobbler, could be charged as a misdemeanor but those seem to get charged initially as the 1170(h) felony.

He could avoid this problem by simply doing a PPT. On the other hand, I have no problem shooting my wife's SSE P226, which she acquired because I was still under a 1 in 30 restriction. Of course, now that we are in Idaho there is no mine or hers, just ours!

[SkyHawk]

Just do a PPT, intrafamily has no place in this transfer

[sofbak]

Doesn't the "method" or process that FIL used to acquire this pistol enter into the equation?

If FIL acquired th gun via a LEO exemption, doesn't that restrict who he can xfer the gun to(?).

[9Cal_OC]

Doesn't the "method" or process that FIL used to acquire this pistol enter into the equation?

If FIL acquired th gun via a LEO exemption, doesn't that restrict who he can xfer the gun to(?).

[2Aftw]

Doesn't the "method" or process that FIL used to acquire this pistol enter into the equation?

If FIL acquired th gun via a LEO exemption, doesn't that restrict who he can xfer the gun to(?).

Great question.

In this hypothetical, my FIL (father in law) got it from my BIL (brother in law, son of FIL from Georgia) doing the inter-state Intrafamilial transfer through an FFL.

...then PPT from FIL to me... is the advice I'm hearing.

Is this legal? What am I looking at for a time frame? Is there a list of Intrafamilial Interstate friendly and knowledgeable FFLs in northern cali? I'm near Gilroy, CA

Tiers?

[morrcarr67]

Great question.

In this hypothetical, my FIL (father in law) got it from my BIL (brother in law, son of FIL from Georgia) doing the inter-state Intrafamilial transfer through an FFL.

...then PPT from FIL to me... is the advice I'm hearing.

Is this legal? What am I looking at for a time frame? Is there a list of Intrafamilial Interstate friendly and knowledgeable FFLs in northern cali? I'm near Gilroy, CA

Tiers?

Yes it's legal.

DO NOT MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT HOW THE GUN GOT TO YOUR FIL.

With the new rules on what SOME LEO's can do with their lawfully owned personal property some dealers are being over cautious.

Just call around and say that you have the opportunity to pick up a used P365 and want to know if they will do the transfer. The way they answer will tell you if they are a good choice or not.

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[sofbak]

"In this hypothetical, my FIL (father in law) got it from my BIL (brother in law, son of FIL from Georgia) doing the inter-state Intrafamilial transfer through an FFL.

...then PPT from FIL to me... is the advice I'm hearing."

Then u r gtg for a ca legal PPT!

[Old Marine]

And this is exactly why I spend a little money on a lawyer because these laws are purposely vague and open to interpretation.

[OlderThanDirt]

So, for $47.19 you can do a perfectly legal PPT. Or, you could save big bucks ($9.19) by doing a sketchy double interfamilial transfer. Yup, Saving $9.19 is definitely worth risking a felony conviction.

[bugsy714]

So, for $47.19 you can do a perfectly legal PPT. Or, you could save big bucks ($9.19) by doing a sketchy double interfamilial transfer. Yup, Saving $9.19 is definitely worth risking a felony conviction.

Some people like to add excitement to their life lol personally I like it nice and boring


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[racinjason233]

He could avoid this problem by simply doing a PPT. On the other hand, I have no problem shooting my wife's SSE P226, which she acquired because I was still under a 1 in 30 restriction. Of course, now that we are in Idaho there is no mine or hers, just ours!

[BAJ475]

Your location says Sagle, Idaho, how do you have a CA CCW? In any event, when we were in CA my IA only required that I qualified with what was listed.