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[Mercenetti]

Thank You All

[mej16489]

Hello all,

I am a new resident of CA after leaving for 2 years, I am an FFL/SOT at my business location in OH which I still own.

Upon my departure I transferred numerous handguns into my personal collection before moving to CA, confirmed legality with ATF and later confirmed I could sell them PPT in CA by CA DOJ office over the phone.

My question is this, what prevents me an FFL from buying guns in another state, transferring those to my personal collection and selling them PPT in CA?

There’s gotta be something I’m missing here.

Thanks.

There is a limit to the number of handgun sales transactions you can make in 1 year. No more than 5 transactions (there can be multiple handguns in a single transaction)

PC 16730:

(a) As used in Section 31815 and in Division 6 (commencing
with Section 26500) of Title 4, "infrequent" means:
(1) For handguns, less than six transactions per calendar year.

[Chewy65]

An FFL cannot transfer an off roster handgun to their personal collection unless the transfer would be exempt for some reason. By virtue of being a FFL you are not an exempt person for purposes of your personal collection.

[audiophil2]

Is your FFL sole prop or other?

[sheepdawg]

The transfer from store inventory to personal inventory is a problem, because according to https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs

"Dealers transferring firearms (hand gun and/or long gun) to their personal inventory are required to complete the DROS process. The BATFE's acquisition/disposition log requirements still apply."

Holding a FFL does not make an individual roster-exempt under either PC32110 or PC32000. So a FFL-holder can't transfer an off-roster gun from store inventory to personal inventory.

[morrcarr67]

There is.

California has a law that says if a resident of California acquires a firearm outside of California they must deliver said firearm to a CA FFL for transfer, and the roster would apply.

So, firearms transferred from your OH FFL to yourself while you are in OH would have to be sent to a CA FFL where you would have to go through the CA DROS process to receive your on roster only handguns.

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[SkyHawk]

PC27585

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...ctionNum=27585.

27585.
(a) Commencing January 1, 2015, a resident of this state shall not import into this state, bring into this state, or transport into this state, any firearm that the person purchased or otherwise obtained on or after January 1, 2015, from outside of this state unless the person first has that firearm delivered to a dealer in this state for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 27540 and Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and Article 2 (commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2.

Violation with a handgun is a felony.

As a CA ‘dual’ resident, now you can’t even bring guns here to visit you unless they are shipped to a CA dealer first for DROS to you, if you acquire those guns out of state after 1/1/2015 and you didn’t declare them within 60 days of becoming a resident.

You get one bite at the apple when you become a new resident. After that, any guns you acquire out of state must be shipped to a CA dealer, DROSd to you, and the roster applies. There is an exception for 03 FFLs when acquiring C&R firearms.

[Mercenetti]

An FFL cannot transfer an off roster handgun to their personal collection unless the transfer would be exempt for some reason. By virtue of being a FFL you are not an exempt person for purposes of your personal collection.

I am not a CA FFL, so how does this apply to me? I can transfer as many “off roster” handguns to myself as I want with my OH FFL.

[Mercenetti]

PC27585

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...ctionNum=27585

[SkyHawk]

That’s the provision when I moved here with my current collection of off roster. So even though I’m a federal dealer I cannot bring inventory into this state without going through a CA dealer? How is that correct? I thought FFLs Can traverse states with guns

You can read the words the same as I can. Unless you or the scenario meets one of the exemptions in B1 - B14, then yes it applies to you also.

Welcome to California

[Mercenetti]

The transfer from store inventory to personal inventory is a problem, because according to https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs

"Dealers transferring firearms (hand gun and/or long gun) to their personal inventory are required to complete the DROS process. The BATFE's acquisition/disposition log requirements still apply."

Holding a FFL does not make an individual roster-exempt under either PC32110 or PC32000. So a FFL-holder can't transfer an off-roster gun from store inventory to personal inventory.

These guns whilst still in OH were transferred correctly as if I was the purchaser at my shop in OH, NICs check and everything

[Mercenetti]

You can read the words the same as I can. Unless you or the scenario meets one of the exemptions in B1 - B14, then yes it applies to you also.

Welcome to California

Haha. Thanks for the help SkyHawk will read as advised

[Milsurp1]

^ that means that you obtained them outside of the state of California.

[Mercenetti]

Is your FFL sole prop or other?

[SkyHawk]

The problem now is you are a CA resident. Other FFLs out of state are not CA residents, so yes they can bring guns here though they will not be able to PPT them. Other people who are not FFLs and NOT CA residents can also travel here with their guns, but not PPT them.

But you are now a CA resident, and you are not a CA dealer. So CA sees you as just another peon like us, subject to that importation rule.

In fact it seems that 03 FFLs like have more privileges than you. I can import C&R guns I personally acquire out of state, but I do not see such an exception for anyone who is not a licensed collector.