Firearms safety certificate exemption for security guard

[rjackson1986]

I'm not sure if this is the correct spot. The CA DOJ website says that there are exemptions for the firearms safety certificate requirement. One of them is a security guard. I tried to use my guard card at a business for a PPT but the business claimed that wasn't true. Therefore I had to buy the stupid certificate. Can anyone shed some light? Am I wrong?

[edgerly779]

I just used my hunting license for a dros. The guy behind me had a retired leosa and his went thru fine. Good luck.Someone will answer.

[SkyHawk]

FSC exemption codes - "security guard" is not one of them.

X01 = Special Weapons Permit Holder
X02 = Operation of Law Representative
X03 = Handgun being returned to the owner
X13 = FFL collector with COE (curio and relic handguns only)
X21 = Military - Active Duty
X22 = Military - Reserve
X25 = Military - Honorably Retired
X31 = Peace Officer - California - Active
X32 = Peace Officer - Federal - Active
X33 = Peace Officer - California - Honorably Retired
X34 = Peace Officer - California - Reserve
X35 = Peace Officer - Federal - Honorably Retired
X41 = Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) Permit Holder
X81 = P.O.S.T. 832 PC (Firearms) Training
X91 = Particular and Limited Authority Peace Officers
X95 = Law Enforcement Service Gun to Family Member
X98 = Valid Hunting License (long guns only)

[rjackson1986]

Um if you read what X91 is defined as, a security guard is considered under that category

[SkyHawk]

CA PC 31700 spells them all out in detail

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=31700

31700.
(a) The following persons, properly identified, are exempted from the firearm safety certificate requirement in subdivision (a) of Section 31615:
(1) Any active or honorably retired peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2.
(2) Any active or honorably retired federal officer or law enforcement agent.
(3) Any reserve peace officer, as defined in Section 832.6.
(4) Any person who has successfully completed the course of training specified in Section 832.
(5) A firearms dealer licensed pursuant to Sections 26700 to 26915, inclusive, who is acting in the course and scope of that person’s activities as a person licensed pursuant to Sections 26700 to 26915, inclusive.
(6) A federally licensed collector who is acquiring or being loaned a firearm that is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the department pursuant to Section 26710.
(7) A person to whom a firearm is being returned, where the person receiving the firearm is the owner of the firearm.
(8) A family member of a peace officer or deputy sheriff from a local agency who receives a firearm pursuant to Section 50081 of the Government Code.
(9) Any individual who has a valid concealed weapons permit issued pursuant to Chapter 4 (commencing with Section 26150) of Division 5.
(10) An active or honorably retired member of the United States Armed Forces, the National Guard, the Air National Guard, or the active reserve components of the United States, where individuals in those organizations are properly identified. For purposes of this section, proper identification includes the Armed Forces Identification Card or other written documentation certifying that the individual is an active or honorably retired member.
(11) Any person who is authorized to carry loaded firearms pursuant to Section 26025 or 26030.
(12) Persons who are the holders of a special weapons permit issued by the department pursuant to Section 32650 or 33300, pursuant to Article 3 (commencing with Section 18900) of Chapter 1 of Division 5 of Title 2, or pursuant to Article 4 (commencing with Section 32700) of Chapter 6 of this division.
(b) The following persons who take title or possession of a firearm by operation of law in a representative capacity, until or unless they transfer title ownership of the firearm to themselves in a personal capacity, are exempted from the firearm safety certificate requirement in subdivision (a) of Section 31615:
(1) The executor or administrator of an estate.
(2) A secured creditor or an agent or employee thereof when the firearms are possessed as collateral for, or as a result of, or an agent or employee thereof when the firearms are possessed as collateral for, or as a result of, a default under a security agreement under the Commercial Code.
(3) A levying officer, as defined in Section 481.140, 511.060, or 680.260 of the Code of Civil Procedure.
(4) A receiver performing the functions of a receiver.
(5) A trustee in bankruptcy performing the duties of a trustee.
(6) An assignee for the benefit of creditors performing the functions of an assignee.
(c) A person, validly identified, who has been issued a valid hunting license that is unexpired or that was issued for the hunting season immediately preceding the calendar year in which the person takes title of possession of a firearm is exempt from the firearm safety certificate requirement in subdivision (a) of Section 31615, except as to handguns.
(d) This section shall become operative on January 1, 2015.

[SkyHawk]

Um if you read what X91 is defined as, a security guard is considered under that category

Security guard is a generic term. X91 is specified in 31700(a)(11)

Any person who is authorized to carry loaded firearms pursuant to Section 26025 or 26030.

Have you completed POST firearms training? Are you certified by Dept of Counsumer Affairs? Get specific. 'Security Guard' is not specific enough.

Which of these are you:

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=26025

Section 25850 does not apply to any of the following who have completed a regular course in firearms training approved by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training:
(a) Patrol special police officers appointed by the police commission of any city, county, or city and county under the express terms of its charter who also, under the express terms of the charter, satisfy all of the following requirements:
(1) They are subject to suspension or dismissal after a hearing on charges duly filed with the commission after a fair and impartial trial.
(2) They are not less than 18 years of age or more than 40 years of age.
(3) They possess physical qualifications prescribed by the commission.
(4) They are designated by the police commission as the owners of a certain beat or territory as may be fixed from time to time by the police commission.
(b) Animal control officers or zookeepers, regularly compensated in that capacity by a governmental agency, when carrying weapons while acting in the course and scope of their employment and when designated by a local ordinance or, if the governmental agency is not authorized to act by ordinance, by a resolution, either individually or by class, to carry the weapons.
(c) Persons who are authorized to carry the weapons pursuant to Section 14502 of the Corporations Code, while actually engaged in the performance of their duties pursuant to that section.
(d) Harbor police officers designated pursuant to Section 663.5 of the Harbors and Navigation Code.

And if you are one of these, are you certified as specified in subdivion (d)?

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=26030.&lawCode=PEN

Section 25850 does not apply to any of the following who have been issued a certificate pursuant to subdivision (d):
(1) Guards or messengers of common carriers, banks, and other financial institutions, while actually employed in and about the shipment, transportation, or delivery of any money, treasure, bullion, bonds, or other thing of value within this state.
(2) Guards of contract carriers operating armored vehicles pursuant to California Highway Patrol and Public Utilities Commission authority, if they were hired prior to January 1, 1977.
(3) Guards of contract carriers operating armored vehicles pursuant to California Highway Patrol and Public Utilities Commission authority, if they were hired on or after January 1, 1977, and they have completed a course in the carrying and use of firearms that meets the standards prescribed by the Department of Consumer Affairs.
(4) Private investigators licensed pursuant to Chapter 11.3 (commencing with Section 7512) of Division 3 of the Business and Professions Code, while acting within the course and scope of their employment.
(5) Uniformed employees of private investigators licensed pursuant to Chapter 11.3 (commencing with Section 7512) of Division 3 of the Business and Professions Code, while acting within the course and scope of their employment.
(6) Private patrol operators licensed pursuant to Chapter 11.5 (commencing with Section 7580) of Division 3 of the Business and Professions Code, while acting within the course and scope of their employment.
(7) Uniformed employees of private patrol operators licensed pursuant to Chapter 11.5 (commencing with Section 7580) of Division 3 of the Business and Professions Code, while acting within the course and scope of their employment.
(8) Alarm company operators licensed pursuant to Chapter 11.6 (commencing with Section 7590) of Division 3 of the Business and Professions Code, while acting within the course and scope of their employment.
(9) Uniformed security guards or night watch persons employed by any public agency, while acting within the scope and course of their employment.
(10) Uniformed security guards, regularly employed and compensated in that capacity by persons engaged in any lawful business, and uniformed alarm agents employed by an alarm company operator, while actually engaged in protecting and preserving the property of their employers, or on duty or en route to or from their residences or their places of employment, and security guards and alarm agents en route to or from their residences or employer-required range training.
(b) Nothing in paragraph (10) of subdivision (a) shall be construed to prohibit cities and counties from enacting ordinances requiring alarm agents to register their names.
(c) A certificate under this section shall not be required of any person who is a peace officer, who has completed all training required by law for the exercise of the person’s power as a peace officer, and who is employed while not on duty as a peace officer.
(d) The Department of Consumer Affairs may issue a certificate to any person referred to in this section, upon notification by the school where the course was completed, that the person has successfully completed a course in the carrying and use of firearms and a course of training in the exercise of the powers of arrest, which meet the standards prescribed by the department pursuant to Section 7583.5 of the Business and Professions Code.

And in any case, you don't have to convince me - you have to convince the FFL. Being able to show them using the penal codes that apply to you will further that effort.

[rjackson1986]

Uniformed security guard #9

[apbrian112]

Uniformed security guard #9

which means nothing if you're not certified as specified in subdivision (d):
(d) The Department of Consumer Affairs may issue a certificate to any person referred to in this section, upon notification by the school where the course was completed, that the person has successfully completed a course in the carrying and use of firearms and a course of training in the exercise of the powers of arrest, which meet the standards prescribed by the department pursuant to Section 7583.5 of the Business and Professions Code.

Which is where the exposed firearm permit comes into play.

[apbrian112]

oh... and this is definitely not the right sub-forum as it has nothing to do with centerfire rifles.

[SkyHawk]

Uniformed security guard #9

#9 must be employed by a public agency. You also must be authorized to carry firearms. You must have approved firearms and powers of arrest training. Are you all of those, and certified by Dept Consumer Affairs?

Uniformed security guards or night watch persons employed by any public agency, while acting within the scope and course of their employment.

You have to be able to spell it out. When I say get specific, something like this:

"I am employed as a uniformed security guard by Department of Child Support Services, a public agency, and I am authorized to carry loaded fireams and I am certified by the Dept of Consumer Affairs as having completed firearms and arrest training."

'Uniformed security guard' still doesn't cut it.

[myv]

Sometimes Calguns provides fantastically specific answers ridiculously quickly. Bravo to SkyHawk and apbrian112.

[Over It]

Damn, those Cali laws are tough to follow. Which shop is this, they must have their act together.

[SkyHawk]

Or maybe you are #10, which does look like generic security guard, but you still must be authorized to carry and have Consumer Affairs certification.

Uniformed security guards, regularly employed and compensated in that capacity by persons engaged in any lawful business, and uniformed alarm agents employed by an alarm company operator,

who have been issued a certificate pursuant to subdivision (d)

who is authorized to carry loaded firearms pursuant to Section 26025 or 26030.

[noob_tube]

X91. You must have the guard card AND exposed firearm permit. No exposed firearm permit = no exemption.

[P5Ret]

X91. You must have the guard card AND exposed firearm permit. No exposed firearm permit = no exemption.

Under what subsection of 830 PC do security guards fall? 830 describes peace officer's in Ca, and I don't think I have ever seen a section that lists private security guards.