Destructive Device Collection Permit

[10.5AR]

Thanks to everyone for all the information and help I have received so far. I knew that getting one of these permits wouldn't be easy given my living conditions even if the basis for it is shall issue.

[QUOTE]How are you going to get a 1,000 plus pound safe into any apartment closet?/QUOTE]

Since the requirements say it only needs a gross weight of over 1,000 pounds I was thinking of getting a 300-500 pound safe and putting weight plates inside to make up the difference after putting it in place in order to satisfy that requirement. It would provide the same level of security as a 1,000 pound plus safe because no one would be able to remove the plates unless they could unlock it. Gross weight is understood to mean the weight of something and its entire contents.

[QUOTE]All of the exterior doors leading into the building./QUOTE]

Do these perimeter doors consist of doors at the ground level and doors that are directly accessible to one outside or do sliding balcony doors that one is not able to access from outside count? This requirement is my main concern because its the one thing I wouldn't be able to do anything about. That would essentially mean I would need to go into every unit and install alarms on balcony then have it inspected by the DOJ which is not going to happen.

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[QUOTE=10.5AR;21522842]Thanks to everyone for all the information and help I have received so far. I knew that getting one of these permits wouldn't be easy given my living conditions even if the basis for it is shall issue.

[QUOTE]How are you going to get a 1,000 plus pound safe into any apartment closet?/QUOTE]

Since the requirements say it only needs a gross weight of over 1,000 pounds I was thinking of getting a 300-500 pound safe and putting weight plates inside to make up the difference after putting it in place in order to satisfy that requirement. It would provide the same level of security as a 1,000 pound plus safe because no one would be able to remove the plates unless they could unlock it. Gross weight is understood to mean the weight of something and its entire contents.

All of the exterior doors leading into the building./QUOTE]

Do these perimeter doors consist of doors at the ground level and doors that are directly accessible to one outside or do sliding balcony doors that one is not able to access from outside count? This requirement is my main concern because its the one thing I wouldn't be able to do anything about. That would essentially mean I would need to go into every unit and install alarms on balcony then have it inspected by the DOJ which is not going to happen.

"Gross weight" of the safe must be 1,000 pound. That does not include any contents... So 500 Lb safe with 500 Lb's of weights would not meet the requirements.

"Perimeter" doors are all doors on the perimeter of the premises. It doesn't matter what level they are on.

If they are on a "balcony" they are accessible from the outside. Simply put a ladder up to the balcony.

Good luck though.

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All of the exterior doors leading into the building.

Do these perimeter doors consist of doors at the ground level and doors that are directly accessible to one outside or do sliding balcony doors that one is not able to access from outside count? This requirement is my main concern because its the one thing I wouldn't be able to do anything about. That would essentially mean I would need to go into every unit and install alarms on balcony then have it inspected by the DOJ which is not going to happen.

Applies to all exterior doors.
Does not matter what floor those doors may be on.



From experience working for a prop master...
Don't forget the roof access doors.
New storage warehouse was a no-go, because the roof access door was not compliant. Didn't matter that there was no way to access it from the outside, unless you came in by air and landed on the roof of the building. That door had to be upgraded, before CA DOJ BOF would sign off on it being a secure facility.

[10.5AR]

Okay so I understand that my current place of residency is essentially prohibitive to acquire a DD permit. In the meantime is there anyway to configure the 9" Spikes Tactical Launcher as an AOW thereby making it legal without a DOJ permit to submit a Form 1? I have heard of some configurations of 37mm being classified as an AOW.

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Okay so I understand that my current place of residency is essentially prohibitive to acquire a DD permit. In the meantime is there anyway to configure the 9" Spikes Tactical Launcher as an AOW thereby making it legal without a DOJ permit to submit a Form 1? I have heard of some configurations of 37mm being classified as an AOW.

Under Federal laws/regulations...

A 37mm signal/chemical launcher is not a firearm.
It is legal when used with signal type rounds (flares, smoke, chalk, etc) and chemical type rounds (tear gas, pepper, etc).

However, per ATF Ruling 95-3...
A 37mm signal/chemical launcher will become a Destructive Device when used with or possessed with anti-personnel type rounds (explosive, incendiary, impact, etc).


Under CA laws...

Signal devices are exempt from being a Destructive Device.

So, a 37mm launcher with signal type rounds (flares, smoke, chalk, etc) is exempt from being a Destructive Device.

But, a 37mm launcher with chemical type rounds (tear gas, pepper, etc) or anti-personnel type rounds (explosive, incendiary, impact, etc) is considered a Destructive Device.