2018/2019 AMMO LAW THREAD - ask here, not a new thread

[Dvrjon]

I am planning a bird hunting trip to CA next month. I live in Reno (having fled the insanity of California a few years back). Can I bring my own shotgun shells with me provided I don't transfer them to anyone else?

Thanks

Funny, I'll wave to you when we pass each other on my way to hunting on CRIT land.

What about unfired shells I bring with me to hunt with, can I bring those back?

[Dvrjon]

what if I buy some more in Nevada, and don't go through all my ammo. Do I need to discard the excess new ammo before I return?

30314. (a) Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of this state shall not bring or transport into this state any ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained from outside of this state unless he or she first has that ammunition delivered to a licensed ammunition vendor for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30312.

[five.five-six]

Not only that, but I'm out for dove and he was out for quail LOL

[Kate]

Change of Address and Background Check for Ammo Purchase

Hello All,
I thought I would pass on my experience today of buying ammo. I have a handgun, whose DROS was Address1, and I have a CDL whose address was Address1. I moved to Address2 in June. Within 2 weeks, I changed my address with the DMV, but of course they don't re-do drivers licenses for address changes. You are supposed to just write the new address on the back. I also changed my address AND the address for my CCW weapons in CFARS to Address2. It is difficult to see what address is tied to your weapons.

So, today I go to buy ammo. The dealer asks about the address on my DL and the address for my handgun in CFARS. I tell him the above. He does the background check with Address2, and it does not pass. He then goes back and re-checks using Address1. And, that goes through instantly. The dealer said that the 5 people at CADoJ are REALLY far behind on processing these changes.

So, IF you have moved, and you are worried about how the background check will work out, that was my experience...

HTH.

[Tuse]

Gifting Ammo

If I am gifting a friend ammo and NOT selling it, do we need to have a DROS done or can I just give him the ammo?

[Newguy1980]

Like the guy before me but different.

I have family from out of state that wants to gift me ammo. What's the best way for then to do that? Do they...

1. Buy ammo, bring to their FFL, have the FFL ship to my cali FFL, and be done with it? Since it's a gift, what would the fees be? Can they skip their FFL, and ship it directly to my cali FFL?

2. Buy ammo, drive across state lines to me, and gift it to me face to face? Or would we meet at a cali FFL and do the whole transfer there?

[Strategist102]

LAX AMMO has posted the following:
They may/may not be correct, and other vendors might not agree. However, it seems probable that you have to have a gun in the Registry to avoid the $19 on-going fee.

Hi

FFL employee here:

I had a situation where a customer came in with a "FLA" CA ID but produced an acitve duty military ID. Has any other FFL employee or FFL holder processed an ammo records check with the CA DL/ID information but used the military ID as supplemental documentation for proof of lawful presence in the US?

[Dvrjon]

Hi

FFL employee here:

I had a situation where a customer came in with a "FLA" CA ID but produced an acitve duty military ID. Has any other FFL employee or FFL holder processed an ammo records check with the CA DL/ID information but used the military ID as supplemental documentation for proof of lawful presence in the US?

The answer is, “No.” (It’s stupid, but it’s no.)

The post you’ve quoted is over a year old. Since then, OAG has issued regulations which address this.

This section applies to all firearms and ammunition eligibility checks, including any eligibility check described in Division 5. For the purposes of this section, “eligibility checks” refers to background checks based on any application or report for which an applicant is required to submit a driver license or identification card, or the number from a driver license or identification card, so that the Department of Justice may determine the applicant's eligibility to possess a firearm or ammunition under state or federal law.
(a) For all eligibility checks, a copy of the applicant's California driver license or identification card, or out-of-state driver license, if applicable, shall be submitted, as specified in subdivisions (d) through (g).
(b) For all eligibility checks, if the applicant presents a federal non-compliant California driver license or identification card with the notation “FEDERAL LIMITS APPLY” on the front, the applicant shall also submit proof of lawful presence in the United States, as specified in subdivisions (d) through (g), in the form of one of the following documents:
(1) Valid, unexpired U.S. passport or passport card.
(2) Certified copy of U.S. birth certificate (issued by a city, county, or state vital statistics office). “Abbreviated” or “Abstract” certificates are NOT accepted.
(3) Certification of Birth Abroad (FS-545), Certification of Report of Birth (DS-1350) or Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (FS-240), issued by the U.S. Department of State.
(4) Valid, unexpired foreign passport with valid U.S. immigrant visa and approved Record of Arrival/Departure (I-94) form.
(5) Certified copy of birth certificate from a U.S. Territory.
(6) Certificate of Naturalization or U.S. Citizenship.
(7) Valid, unexpired Permanent Resident Card.

Best.

[jeremiah12]

Like the guy before me but different.

I have family from out of state that wants to gift me ammo. What's the best way for then to do that? Do they...

1. Buy ammo, bring to their FFL, have the FFL ship to my cali FFL, and be done with it? Since it's a gift, what would the fees be? Can they skip their FFL, and ship it directly to my cali FFL?

2. Buy ammo, drive across state lines to me, and gift it to me face to face? Or would we meet at a cali FFL and do the whole transfer there?

Go back to the very first post in this thread.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=21107595&postcount=1

The law is printed there. Near the bottom you will see that transfers between immediate family members are exempt from the ammo background checks. So if the family that is transfering the ammo to you is a direct blood relative, child, parent, grandparent, then they can ship it directly to you or drive it into the state and give it to you face to face. No FFL is needed for the transfer.

It does not have to be a gift, the law as written is for the transfer of ammo.

If it is not a transfer between immediate family members, then you need to process the transfer by first having the ammo delivered to a FFL or ammo vendor.

[Strategist102]

Best.

Sweet! Thanks so much for referencing the regulations.

[Mustang]

Like the guy before me but different.

I have family from out of state that wants to gift me ammo. What's the best way for then to do that? Do they...

1. Buy ammo, bring to their FFL, have the FFL ship to my cali FFL, and be done with it? Since it's a gift, what would the fees be? Can they skip their FFL, and ship it directly to my cali FFL?

2. Buy ammo, drive across state lines to me, and gift it to me face to face? Or would we meet at a cali FFL and do the whole transfer there?

30314.

(a) Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of this state shall not bring or transport into this state any ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained from outside of this state unless he or she first has that ammunition delivered to a licensed ammunition vendor for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30312.

(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
(6) A person who acquired the ammunition from a spouse, registered domestic partner, or immediate family member as defined in Section 16720.

(c) A violation of this section is an infraction for any first time offense, and either an infraction or a misdemeanor for any subsequent offense.

(Added November 8, 2016, by initiative Proposition 63, Sec. 8.7.)

You can go pick it up and drive it back into California yourself, if the person you are receiving it from is your wife, child or grandparent.

Some people have suggested that if you and your wife drive out of state and your wife buys ammo while you are out of state, she can give it to you and you can legally bring it back into California.

[Newguy1980]

Wow missed it.

Got it. It's pertaining to a father in law - but now it all makes sense. Thanks!

[Mustang]

Wow missed it.

Got it. It's pertaining to a father in law - but now it all makes sense. Thanks!

I think your father-in-law can give the ammo to your wife...who, after she brings it back to California, can give it to you.

[Ammodrought]

CRIS registration = 80 days and counting

My experience only differed in that my last gun purchase was 2009, so I paid the $19 fee, and 80 days later, my gun registration is still "in progress."

Meanwhile, for the first time in my entire life, I am a "prohibited person," walking the sparsely stocked ammo aisles, watching prices increase on a weekly basis, waiting, wondering if I will ever be able to obtain ammo legally again...

Hello All,
I thought I would pass on my experience today of buying ammo. I have a handgun, whose DROS was Address1, and I have a CDL whose address was Address1. I moved to Address2 in June. Within 2 weeks, I changed my address with the DMV, but of course they don't re-do drivers licenses for address changes. You are supposed to just write the new address on the back. I also changed my address AND the address for my CCW weapons in CFARS to Address2. It is difficult to see what address is tied to your weapons.

So, today I go to buy ammo. The dealer asks about the address on my DL and the address for my handgun in CFARS. I tell him the above. He does the background check with Address2, and it does not pass. He then goes back and re-checks using Address1. And, that goes through instantly. The dealer said that the 5 people at CADoJ are REALLY far behind on processing these changes.

So, IF you have moved, and you are worried about how the background check will work out, that was my experience...

HTH.

[scotthmt]

So if I want to buy ammo from someone in the classifieds that lives in my immediate area, do we need to do a transfer at a FFL? Do I need anything more than a drivers license? It’s been a while since I’ve gone shooting and I would like to start up again.