80% lowers MERGED THREADS - please ask in here, not a new thread

[twowheel]

Geez these CA laws are interesting.

Please bear with me, I'm playing catch up.

1) If I have manufactured and assembled my own AR, built to current CA rules as a non AW. I will still have to engrave it per ATF requirements?

1a) If engraved before July 1, 2018. I can use my own serial number.
1b) If engraved after July 1, 2018. I will need to apply to DOJ for a serial number first.

What I'm confused about is:
- Do I need to VolReg it if I do option 1a?
- Can I still manufacture and assembly my remaining 80% lower, to CA non AW, and follow option 1a?

I want to keep the time frame before July 1, 2018. I don't want to build anything after that date simply to make my life easier. Its way too confusing now, and will only get worse after that date.

[solidfreshdope]

What I'm confused about is:

- Do I need to VolReg it if I do option 1a?

- Can I still manufacture and assembly my remaining 80% lower, to CA non AW, and follow option 1a?

Yes to both.



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[BMartin1776]

Curious if I put serials&info on my 80% frames NOW, why do I have to have them completed by July?

[ajb78]

Curious if I put serials&info on my 80% frames NOW, why do I have to have them completed by July?

See PC 29180. If it's being completed or assembled on or after July 1, 2018 you are required to apply to the CA DOJ for a serial number.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...ctionNum=29180.

CHAPTER 3. Assembly of Firearms
29180. (a) For purposes of this chapter, “manufacturing” or “assembling” a firearm means to fabricate or construct a firearm, or to fit together the component parts of a firearm to construct a firearm.
(b) Commencing July 1, 2018, prior to manufacturing or assembling a firearm, a person manufacturing or assembling the firearm shall do all of the following:
(1) Apply to the Department of Justice for a unique serial number or other mark of identification pursuant to Section 29182.
(2) (A) Within 10 days of manufacturing or assembling a firearm in accordance with paragraph (1), the unique serial number or other mark of identification provided by the department shall be engraved or permanently affixed to the firearm in a manner that meets or exceeds the requirements imposed on licensed importers and licensed manufacturers of firearms pursuant to subsection (i) of Section 923 of Title 18 of the United States Code and regulations issued pursuant thereto.

[twowheel]

Yes to both.



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I thought the idea of marking a lower with a serial number prior to the July deadline was to prevent registering it with the state.

Can someone direct me to the proper law/code?

[solidfreshdope]

I thought the idea of marking a lower with a serial number prior to the July deadline was to prevent registering it with the state.

Can someone direct me to the proper law/code?

The idea is so you can avoid a state-issued serial. It still needs to be "in a central database." If you are planning on registering as an AW, then you must request a serial number from the CA DOJ anyway.

[twowheel]

The idea is so you can avoid a state-issued serial. It still needs to be "in a central database." If you are planning on registering as an AW, then you must request a serial number from the CA DOJ anyway.

Thank you sir.

Not planning on registering them as an AW. I think I've missed that deadline anyway, since some are not complete/assembled.

Guess it's more money to the state then.

[calgvnner]

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[ajb78]

with all these ridiculous unmarked 80%laws going into effect as well as the AW ban whats stomping tom or joe from building a 80% AR pistol and simply claiming it was built in 2014? or even building a 80% AR rifle and simply claiming it was built in 2016? i mean obviously the law permits it but lets face it not everyone is a perfect law abiding citizen! some people have 30+ rounds clips in the desert, others have full auto, I'm sure theres a handful of fully featured ARs with no bullet button and no fixed magazine thats just the world we live in! I'm not advocating doing anything illegal and i do not suggest anyone does this nor will i myself be doing this but one has to wonder!

Your affirmation, under penalty of perjury, that the information on your registration application is true and correct.

Laws are like locks, they only keep honest people honest.

[BMartin1776]

See PC 29180. If it's being completed or assembled on or after July 1, 2018 you are required to apply to the CA DOJ for a serial number.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...ctionNum=29180.

That doesnt answer my question. If one puts all required markings on 80% frames NOW, why do they have to complete the build before July 1? Theyre makes as reqd.

Let me say it one more time in scenario form. Person A has 5 lowers today, monday. He puts all required markings on the lowers tomorrow tuesday. The lowers markings meet legal requirements NOW, why does he have to finish all of them by July 1?? The law suggests if one purchases frame and is going to build after July 1, where builder would have to seek state issued serial.

[Nor*Cal]

That doesnt answer my question. If one puts all required markings on 80% frames NOW, why do they have to complete the build before July 1? Theyre makes as reqd.

Let me say it one more time in scenario form. Person A has 5 lowers today, monday. He puts all required markings on the lowers tomorrow tuesday. The lowers markings meet legal requirements NOW, why does he have to finish all of them by July 1?? The law suggests if one purchases frame and is going to build after July 1, where builder would have to seek state issued serial.

I don't believe there is any law that states you must complete the build by a certain date. Just that you must engrave the required information on the receiver.

Now, if we were talking about an assault weapon that needs to be registered, those needed to be built and functional prior to January 1st 2017.

[BMartin1776]

I don't believe there is any law that states you must complete the build by a certain date. Just that you must engrave the required information on the receiver.

Now, if we were talking about an assault weapon that needs to be registered, those needed to be built and functional prior to January 1st 2017.

Right! Thats how I read it. I have no problem buying frames now and engraving them, I just dont want to be rushed to finish them all btwn now and July, not to mention the costs!

[ajb78]

I don't believe there is any law that states you must complete the build by a certain date. Just that you must engrave the required information on the receiver.

Now, if we were talking about an assault weapon that needs to be registered, those needed to be built and functional prior to January 1st 2017.

Right! Thats how I read it. I have no problem buying frames now and engraving them, I just dont want to be rushed to finish them all btwn now and July, not to mention the costs!

So i guess I'm not understanding this then...

How does

"Commencing July 1, 2018, prior to manufacturing or assembling a firearm, a person manufacturing or assembling the firearm shall do all of the following: (1) Apply to the Department of Justice for a unique serial number or other mark of identification pursuant to Section 29182."

Translate into, as long as it was purchased and engraved before July 1, it's ok?

[BMartin1776]

So i guess I'm not understanding this then...

How does

"Commencing July 1, 2018, prior to manufacturing or assembling a firearm, a person manufacturing or assembling the firearm shall do all of the following: (1) Apply to the Department of Justice for a unique serial number or other mark of identification pursuant to Section 29182."

Translate into, as long as it was purchased and engraved before July 1, it's ok?

Isnt that saying starting July 1, you buy an 80 you have to go to CA DOJ get your serial blah blah and then build it.

All Im saying is I have lower NOW. I will get it serialized NOW but I dont want to be rushed building it by June 30, otherwise per this law and some folks argument Id have to get a CA DOJ serial to put where right next to the one I already have?????

This is the insanity of this state run by unhinged liberal progressive anti-Americans who write laws that make everyone nuts with tons of holes in them bc theyre in a big rush to take rights away.

What it really comes down to is your word against theirs (LE) should you be the one made an example of. That said document the hell out of what you have, when you got it, keep receipts etc to shut down some driveling liberal anti-gun DA. And if you have the ability, finances and means to move DO IT NOW bc this state is GONE. It will always be under democrat control bc of the illegals they let in who increased population counts that equate to more districts and Representative being added in democrat dominated areas where A republicans has no chance of winning. CA is under permanent one party rule. More restrictive gun laws are coming. Id get out tomorrow but its impossible for reasons I cannot get into here. Im telling all of you that are conserve and pro-gun GET THE HE11 out of CA while you can. This state, a nanny state, is the last place you want to be when SHTF.

[VaderSpade]

I think that's a battle that you would lose in a CA court.