What you can/cannot or must do with Registered Assault Weapons (RAW)

[jcnyct]

http://www.locksmithledger.com/article/10850288/guide-to-california-doj-gun-safe-requirements

Andrew - Lancaster, CA
NRA Life Member, Calguns.net contributor, CGF / SAF / CRPA / FPC / USCCA member

sorry I might get a bit annoying with these questions but wow are these CA gun laws full circles..

so for someone who moved to CA with firearms let's say in 2014 - there's no legal requirement to have these DOJ aprroved safety devices? Firearms weren't purchased in CA.

I ask this because as I understand it, for someone who bought a BB-AR-15 in CA in 2014 and signed the safe affidavit.. that person legally has to have that DOJ approved safe.. right?

[jcnyct]

As it relates to RAW, there is no requirement that you use DOJ approved containers, but doing so would possibly make a legal defense of having prevented possession by an unregistered person to the best of your abilities.

If someone breaks into your locked container to gain access, no matter how easy that was... they have violated the law not you.


Andrew - Lancaster, CA
NRA Life Member, Calguns.net contributor, CGF / SAF / CRPA / FPC / USCCA member

I understand a RAW doesn't have required DOJ approved containers.

But let's say you bought a BB-AR15 in 2014 and signed the affidavit saying you have the DOJ approved safe. Then you registered that same BB-AR15 into a RAW in 2018.. wouldn't you legally still be required to have that DOJ approved safe?

[Dvrjon]

sorry I might get a bit annoying with these questions but wow are these CA gun laws full circles..

so for someone who moved to CA with firearms let's say in 2014 - there's no legal requirement to have these DOJ aprroved safety devices? Firearms weren't purchased in CA.

I ask this because as I understand it, for someone who bought a BB-AR-15 in CA in 2014 and signed the safe affidavit.. that person legally has to have that DOJ approved safe.. right?

I understand a RAW doesn't have required DOJ approved containers.

But let's say you bought a BB-AR15 in 2014 and signed the affidavit saying you have the DOJ approved safe. Then you registered that same BB-AR15 into a RAW in 2018.. wouldn't you legally still be required to have that DOJ approved safe?

required for the FFL to make the transfer.

[lordmorgul]

I understand a RAW doesn't have required DOJ approved containers.



But let's say you bought a BB-AR15 in 2014 and signed the affidavit saying you have the DOJ approved safe. Then you registered that same BB-AR15 into a RAW in 2018.. wouldn't you legally still be required to have that DOJ approved safe?

[shaocaholica]

No one is going to bother you about it unless your kids or guests end up hurting someone with your guns. Make sure that never happens and stop worrying so much about the fine print.

[Cokebottle]

DOJ certified storage/safety device requirements relate directly to FFL sales/transfers. http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...5.&lawCode=PEN

Important to remember that firearm storage devices are not unlike the assault weapon laws. They are "approved" by name OR by characteristic.
I'd go so far as to say that the majority of gun safes available are not listed by CA... and honestly, the majority of what IS listed is more suitable as an ammo cabinet than it is as a gun storage cabinet.

[jcnyct]

thank you.. I appreciate everyone's help.

sounds like the whole idea of DOJ approved devices in the long run means nothing

[Dvrjon]

thank you.. I appreciate everyone's help.

sounds like the whole idea of DOJ approved devices in the long run means nothing

[Dvrjon]

Important to remember that firearm storage devices are not unlike the assault weapon laws. They are "approved" by name OR by characteristic.
I'd go so far as to say that the majority of gun safes available are not listed by CA... and honestly, the majority of what IS listed is more suitable as an ammo cabinet than it is as a gun storage cabinet.

https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Doc...ta=(sc.Default)

[quiksnap]

Its probably been asked before but I missed it. I'm going to Arizona to visit my cousin. I want to give him my RAW , my understanding is that I have to transfer it to him via FFl in Arizona, not one in California. Does the rifle have to be in featureless configuration? I understand I would need to fill out the " No Longer In Possession" form

[Cokebottle]

Its probably been asked before but I missed it. I'm going to Arizona to visit my cousin. I want to give him my RAW , my understanding is that I have to transfer it to him via FFl in Arizona, not one in California. Does the rifle have to be in featureless configuration? I understand I would need to fill out the " No Longer In Possession" form

Federal law requires that transfers residents of different states must go through an FFL, and must comply with the laws of both states involved.
Your friend in AZ can legally drive to Texas and buy an AR or other long gun from Walmart.

California law prohibits the transfer of assault weapons, thus, the transfer would need to take place outside of California.

RAW protects you for possession and transport within California... no need for it to be featureless. Once you cross into AZ, the RAW status is irrelevant... it is simply a modern sporting rifle.

The NLIP is not mandatory, but it is not a bad idea... could prevent a knock on the door in a few years.
DOJ will want proof that the RAW has been removed from the state and sold, ask for copies of the FFL's paperwork. Make a copy with the buyer's information redacted and submit that.

[Aric75]

Hi,

I did do a search and didn't find exactly what I was looking for, I also scanned through this thread and didn't see it asked here. If I missed it somewhere I apoligize. I also realize this thread is old, but I thought this the most relevent place to ask.

I have a couple of "Registered Assult Weapons "RAW" I guess they are called, that I registered prior to the 01 ban. I have my little letter from DOJ telling it's ok for me to own them ect.. So I was under the impression that I coulde keep the Detachable mag feature, but nothing else? However in talking to my buddy, who has an 01 RAW as well, he was telling me we can do whatever want, forward grip/flash hider/folding stock, all the good stuff.

What say you?

Can I put a forward vertical grip on my pre 01 RAW?
Can I put a Folding Stock (as long as over 26 folded/over 30 unfolded) on my Pre 01 RAW?
Anything i Can't/Shouldn't do?

[lordmorgul]

What you can/cannot or must do with Registered Assault Weapons (RAW)

Hi,


What say you?

Can I put a forward vertical grip on my pre 01 RAW?
Can I put a Folding Stock (as long as over 26 folded/over 30 unfolded) on my Pre 01 RAW?
Anything i Can't/Shouldn't do?

[Milsurp1]

[lordmorgul]