Being forced to buy a lock with a handgun

[Librarian]

Ok, since I am going today to to DROS a C&R handgun, would not a hard case handgun lock box with a padlock satisfy the Federal BATF requirement?

A cable lock provided with a pryor handgun purchase (cable lock that came with a Glock) satisfy Feds?

I must have hard case/padlock when I take delivery of pistol anyway to legally transport...

GTG with safe affidavit for state. Just want to make sure I get this correct to DROS. My FFL 01 is home based and is working his day job(unable to contact). I may just buy a cheapo cable lock and return it after I take delivery on pistol after 10 days...

Here's the definition from 18 USC 921 :

(34) The term “secure gun storage or safety device” means—
(A) a device that, when installed on a firearm, is designed to
prevent the firearm from being operated without first
deactivating the device;
(B) a device incorporated into the design of the firearm that is
designed to prevent the operation of the firearm by anyone not
having access to the device; or
(C) a safe, gun safe, gun case, lock box, or other device
that is designed to be or can be used to store a firearm and
that is designed to be unlocked only by means of a key, a
combination, or other similar means.

Getting BATF to accept such, and not penalizing the FFL next inspection, is the issue. Generally, the FFL's question will be something like 'will this lose me my license?' and, if in his/her opinion the answer is 'yes', that's too much risk.

The re-used lock from a prior purchase should satisfy.

[bountyhunter]

As has been correctly stated, repeatedly, in this thread, the BATF will not accept a safe affidavit for the Federal requirement.

Interesting how many guns I have bought without any lock (just a locking briefcase) with the safe form signed. Reeds, Targetmasters and Spotsmens Supply clearly don't share your opinion.

[pacrat]

Interesting how many guns I have bought without any lock (just a locking briefcase) with the safe form signed. Reeds, Targetmasters and Spotsmens Supply clearly don't share your opinion.

How an individual LGS interprets, misinterprets, follows, fails to follow, ignores, or demands security devices in excess if the law is controlled solely by the LGS.

All we as consumers can do, is enlighten them as to the actual laws. Hopefully they listen to reason, and affirm for themselves that we are correct. If not, our only option is to take our business elsewhere.

Closest LGS to me, other than a Turdner's. Is Ammo Bros in Cerritos. I'm glad they are reasonable and wish to keep customers happy and coming back.

JM2c

[bountyhunter]

How an individual LGS interprets, misinterprets, follows, fails to follow, ignores, or demands security devices in excess if the law is controlled solely by the LGS.

All we as consumers can do, is enlighten them as to the actual laws. Hopefully they listen to reason, and affirm for themselves that we are correct. If not, our only option is to take our business elsewhere.

Closest LGS to me, other than a Turdner's. Is Ammo Bros in Cerritos. I'm glad they are reasonable and wish to keep customers happy and coming back.

JM2c

My point was that all the ones I have run into follow the law as far as I can tell:

(C) a safe, gun safe, gun case, lock box, or other device
that is designed to be or can be used to store a firearm and
that is designed to be unlocked only by means of a key, a
combination, or other similar means.

The safe affedavit satisfies the Kali requirement and the locked briefcase satisfies the rest. As I stated earlier, I heve not been forced to buy useless locks in many years and I think the people in the gun stores I mentioned know the law and follow it.

[Librarian]

Interesting how many guns I have bought without any lock (just a locking briefcase) with the safe form signed. Reeds, Targetmasters and Spotsmens Supply clearly don't share your opinion.

Not my opinion - BATF.

An LGS is free to operate as it thinks best. It is, after all, their license at risk, so they get to choose.

[Jimi Jah]

Some sell a used lock for 5 bucks and will buy them back. They get my repeat business.

[Marauder2003]

Feds:

(34) The term “secure gun storage or safety device” means—
(A) a device that, when installed on a firearm, is designed to prevent the firearm from being operated without first deactivating the device;
(B) a device incorporated into the design of the firearm that is designed to prevent the operation of the firearm by anyone not having access to the device; or
(C) a safe, gun safe, gun case, lock box, or other device that is designed to be or can be used to store a firearm and that is designed to be unlocked only by means of a key, a combination, or other similar means.

I assume B means the internal lock on S&W wheelguns would satisfy?

Every one talks about a cable lock. What about a trigger lock? Seems to satisfy A.