buying an AR 15- now or wait?

[Darklyte27]

like many others have said, get the Lowers now. I got 2 on my first buy knowing that later down the road the spare can be a 2nd build or just as a spare..

[ptoguy2002]

A stripped lower alone isn't going to do you any good if there was a federal ban tomorrow. In the 94 ban, if it wasn't a complete rifle in a ban configuration on the kick-in date, it became "post-ban" automatically. And it won't do you any good to have a lower with no parts on it.
I kinda think that now is a good time to buy, as I foresee demand, and therefore prices going up if BHO is elected, supply doesn't seem to be a problem, and prices are pretty good now.
As for comments about buying multiple lowers, if your cash strapped, just buy one and get good parts. One good rifle is better than 2 mediocre rifles, IMHO.
IF you can afford it, now is a good time.
There are also lots of deals to be found here and on barfcom on used stuff, where folks bought this and that, and are selling it off.

[ptoguy2002]

How many?

I think that depends on how this whole "receiver as other" on the 4473s pan out. If we can build AR pistols, I'd like to grab 3 more frames.

Doesn't matter in Cali, as it still can't transfer as a pistol unless its single shot.

[ptoguy2002]

And why is this thread in the 2A forum???.......

[sigsauer887]

A stripped lower alone isn't going to do you any good if there was a federal ban tomorrow. In the 94 ban, if it wasn't a complete rifle in a ban configuration on the kick-in date, it became "post-ban" automatically. And it won't do you any good to have a lower with no parts on it.
I kinda think that now is a good time to buy, as I foresee demand, and therefore prices going up if BHO is elected, supply doesn't seem to be a problem, and prices are pretty good now.
As for comments about buying multiple lowers, if your cash strapped, just buy one and get good parts. One good rifle is better than 2 mediocre rifles, IMHO.
IF you can afford it, now is a good time.
There are also lots of deals to be found here and on barfcom on used stuff, where folks bought this and that, and are selling it off.

Really? How could something become post ban automatically if it was purchased pre-ban?

[savs2k]

i just started the dros on mine this morning. better safe then sorry. elections too close with obama in the lead

[Josh3239]

Really? How could something become post ban automatically if it was purchased pre-ban?

I was under the impression that post/pre ban only dealt with manufacturers and retailers. A liscenced individual/company couldn't make or sell any pre-ban stuff after the ban. There was no registration or anything. Essentially companies had to start making ARs without flash hiders, threaded barrels, hi caps, bayonet lugs, etc.

I have no doubt in my mind, the way Obama and some of the other democraps talk, that they want nationwide registration side by side with a gun ban. For example, limiting 1 gun purchase per month cannot be enforced without registration. Obama is a big fan of the 1 gun purchase a month (no not handgun, gun).

Should registration happen an AR15 lower would be considered pre ban. If there is no registration like the last one, I don't think you could buy any pre-ban stuff after the ban passes.

[ptoguy2002]

I was under the impression that post/pre ban only dealt with manufacturers and retailers. A liscenced individual/company couldn't make or sell any pre-ban stuff after the ban. There was no registration or anything. Essentially companies had to start making ARs without flash hiders, threaded barrels, hi caps, bayonet lugs, etc.

I have no doubt in my mind, the way Obama and some of the other democraps talk, that they want nationwide registration side by side with a gun ban. For example, limiting 1 gun purchase per month cannot be enforced without registration. Obama is a big fan of the 1 gun purchase a month (no not handgun, gun).

Should registration happen an AR15 lower would be considered pre ban. If there is no registration like the last one, I don't think you could buy any pre-ban stuff after the ban passes.

When the '94 federal ban went into affect, if the rifle was not a completed, functioning assault rifle, it was NOT grandfathered as an assault weapon and became post-ban. For example, if you had a stripped receiver that you bought anytime before September 1994, and never assembled it before the ban took affect, it would have been illegal to assemble it into a pre-ban configuration, it became post-ban. That was an ATF ruling on the matter, IIRC.

People / dealer / mfgs etc could sell pre-ban parts, uppers with FHs, bayo lugs, tele stocks, etc, but the user/buyer were only allowed to put those parts on legit "pre-ban" rifles. If you bought a "post-ban" gun or receiver, and put prohibited "pre-ban" parts on it, you were in violation of the law. New rifles made or assembled after Sept 94, had to be "post-ban", meaning no bayo lug, FH, tele stock, threaded barrel, etc.

"pre-ban" and "post-ban" terminology is mostly worthless now, as there is no more ban, and its legal to now add those evil features to your "post-ban" rifle. Unless you live in a state which still has their own state AWB modeled after the federal ban. NY, Mass, Conn, come to mind, but I don't know much about those state laws. In those state, "pre-ban" and "post-ban" is still in affect.

[ptoguy2002]

But if they came out with another AWB, I don't have any clue how that would manage anything, because all the mags and receivers that say "For mil/le use only" are now all legal, that would have to come up with a way to distinguish between old ban and new ban. So we'd have:
pre-ban1
post-ban
no-ban / pre-new ban
new ban

I'll be confusing.
But I don't think it will happen, at least not in the latest form presented, they were banning M1 carbines, 1911s, glocks, and mini-14s for crying out loud.
No way that version would pass, especially now post-heller.
A toned down version? Maybe, probably not. A very-toned down version? I'd say 50/50.
I do think we'll get something though. Not all in one big shot AWB, maybe an executive order banning import of this or that, a rider placed in to some other bill to do one small thing, another rider in another bill to do something else, etc.
Obama is so anti gun, regardless of what he says, that it would be foolish to think that he won't at least try something, and get away with half of something.
Only time will tell

[dfletcher]

Doesn't matter in Cali, as it still can't transfer as a pistol unless its single shot.

Perhaps, perhaps not.

There's an extensive thread elsewhere about ATF changes to the 4473 form which has a spot for "other" and the intended use is stripped receivers. Being "other" they are not at point of sale classified as a handgun or rifle. There's discussion as to whether this will allow us to build AR pistols with fixed mags and not just single shots. How to DROS seems to be a concern though, interesting thread.

[Gator Monroe]

Ohio Ordanance has complete Barreled milsurp USGI M16A1 uppers for $250.00(Minus Bolt/Carrier and charging handle/stock) and with a $50.00 LPK and used Stock/BCG/CH and a $100.00 lower YOU ARE IN THE $550.00 $600.00 BUILD BUDGET RANGE for a Reto A1/AR build !

[Nra-Life-Member]

Buy Now..

[eagleboard]

2 WEEKS!!

[Guntech]

suggestions? do you think an AR lower will be the same price after the elections, SHOULD obama be elected?

They likely hood of a ban happening in the first month of his term are highly unlikely so you have a few months. Should he be elected: Hell no. Will he be elected: I cant find my crystal ball.

[56Chevy]

Buy Now..

I have enough AR's, but I did order my first AK last night. My wife took it well when I told her today, but she did remind me how ugly she thinks they are. She also asked me why I want to have what Al Queda uses.