OLL legal in AZ right?

[journeyman]

I have one question that I am very curious about. If a person buys all of the pieces to make a full auto M16, but doesn't assemble it, is it still illegal ?

you can have parts just not a drop in auto sear or a lightning link having one unregistered is possession of a machine gun.

[Annie Oakley]

you can have parts just not a drop in auto sear or a lightning link having one unregistered is possession of a machine gun.

OMG, now I'm getting confused. Bill said that I couldn't have a full auto disconnect, lower receiver with a "happy hole" (lol omg that's just too fuuny), selector switch for full auto and a couple of other things. Truthfully, I don't mind snuggling up to the line between legal and illegal, but I don't want to step over it. What is a lightning link ?

[10RoundLimit]

OMG, now I'm getting confused. Bill said that I couldn't have a full auto disconnect, lower receiver with a "happy hole" (lol omg that's just too fuuny), selector switch for full auto and a couple of other things. Truthfully, I don't mind snuggling up to the line between legal and illegal, but I don't want to step over it. What is a lightning link ?

Bill is correct

[Ding126]

If any of you shooters are coming towards Phoenix..give me a shout. Im about 30min from the airport and have a nice area to shoot at....everything goes in AZ

[Annie Oakley]

Bill is correct

k thnx

[journeyman]

What is a lightning link ?


The SWD Lightning Link (SWD Auto Disconnector or Auto Connector) is one of those unique solutions where someone happened to look at the operation of the AR-15 and how the various parts of the operating systems work together to find an easy way to convert a semi-automatic firearm into a fully automatic weapon. Please understand that it is illegal for a US Citizen to build one of these units without special licenses and the purpose of this page is to discuss how the Lightning Link works and not to provide guidance on how to build one.

In normal semi-auto operation the hammer is cocked by a rearward movement of the bolt carrier, as the carrier moves forward, the hammer is caught and held in the cocked position by the sear located on the forward part of the trigger catching in the sear notch, on the hammer. If you hold the trigger after a shot's fired the sear will not catch in the hammer's sear notch when the hammer cocks because the sear is depressed below the arc of the hammer notch.

This happens because the trigger is being held back by the hook on the disconnector which is tipped forward and in position to catch the hammer, stopping it from following the bolt carrier forward. When the trigger is released, it allows the hammer to slip from under the disconnector hook and to be caught by the trigger sear in the hammer sear notch. Making it necessary to pull the trigger for each shot. As long as the trigger is held back, the sear is held below the arc of the hammer notch. The only thing holding the hammer in the cocked position is the disconnector. The Lightning Link accomplishes full-auto fire by pulling the disconnector to the rear forcing it to release the hammer.

[packnrat]

Annie, to stay safe from the Feds (and CA, which has laws roughly echoing the Feds), don't possess:
- FA fire control parts (for ARs, trigger/sear/FA disco(?)/selector);
- short bbl (unless you own a legit matching pistol or pistol receiver;
- if you have AR pistol *only* but no AR rifle/rifle rcvr, don't own a buttstock/receiver extension tube;

For ARs, don't have a lower with an extra 'happy hole' either.
(I have less familiarity w/AK receivers, but they seem to be a no-no with a 3rd hole near the trigger, which is prompting certain Saiga designs to be recalled - there's a very recent thread about this somewhere here.)

'Constructive possession' applies, generally speaking, to those items under your ownership/control - lack of assembly into the gun doesn't matter, nor does separation/distance (i.e, sear in your Maine vacation home with the gun in your CA home).

It's legit to have M16 FA bolt carriers in your semiauto AR, various AR mfgrs ship this way.

as a side note... is a m16 bolt and carrier any stronger than a ca legal ar 15 parts style??

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[journeyman]

Any weapon which shoots automatically more than one shot, without
manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger meets the
definition of a machinegun in section 5845(b) of the NFA. An AR15
rifle which is assembled with certain M16 machinegun fire control
components, and which is capable of shooting automatically is a
machinegun as defined.

The definition of a machinegun in section 5845(b) also includes any
combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if
such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.
Thus, an AR15 rifle possessed with separate M16 machinegun
components can meet the definition of a machinegun, if the rifle
shoots automatically when the components are installed.

The fact that a person lawfully possesses a registered NFA firearm
does not grant authorization to possess additional non-registered
firearms. A person who possesses a registered M16 machinegun and
a semiautomatic AR15 and a separate quantity of M16 machinegun
components could be in possession of two machineguns.

We advise any person who possesses an AR15 rifle not to possess M16
fire control components (trigger, hammer, disconnector, selector,
and bolt carrier).

ADVISE DOESNT SAY ILLEGAL

[journeyman]

[QUOTE=10RoundLimit;1544259]Bill is correct[/QUOTE

So am I

[M. Sage]

Might not say it's illegal, but people have gone to prison for it.

as a side note... is a m16 bolt and carrier any stronger than a ca legal ar 15 parts style??

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The M16 bolt group is CA-legal. Several manufacturers ship uppers/complete rifles that way.

[journeyman]

maybe, but its incorrect to say illegal is all im saying probably not the smartest thing to do but not illegal.....

[762cavalier]

you may be splitting hairs but remember, those same people who are "advising" you not to are the same people who determine what is and isn't and are considered the experts by the court you will be facing.

[darkest2000]

It's ironic that the M16 FCG seems to get all the attention and people say you can't have em.

But FCG from other FULL AUTO GUNS such as AKs, HKs, UZIs, FAL are readily available and usually are included in the parts kits.

So why does the m16 FCG get special attention and not the others?

[bwiese]

It's ironic that the M16 FCG seems to get all the attention and people say you can't have em.

But FCG from other FULL AUTO GUNS such as AKs, HKs, UZIs, FAL are readily available and usually are included in the parts kits.

So why does the m16 FCG get special attention and not the others?

A mix of reasons...
- ARs are the biggest selling rifles esp these days;
- parts kits vendors that don't sell guns aren't responsible for *your*
constructive possession charges and people should use extreme caution
ordering parts kits if they already own a receiver;
- some guns, like FALs, need the ejector block in the receiver set up for F/A;