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  • GMONEY
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2007
    • 1921

    OLL legal in AZ right?

    Can I use a 30 rounder?
  • #2
    VegasND
    Calguns Addict
    • Aug 2007
    • 8621

    Originally posted by GMONEY
    Can I use a 30 rounder?
    In AZ there is NO such thing as an OLL. And you can use a magazine of any capacity at all.

    Just relax and enjoy shooting your rifle the way it was designed.
    People don't like to be meddled with. We tell them what to do, what to think, don't run, don't walk. We're in their homes and in their heads and we haven't the right. We're meddlesome.
    --River Tam

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      Glock30
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      • Mar 2008
      • 2176

      lol, just get yourself a full auto in AZ.
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        Annie Oakley
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        • May 2007
        • 811

        I have one question that I am very curious about. If a person buys all of the pieces to make a full auto M16, but doesn't assemble it, is it still illegal ?
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          762cavalier
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          • Oct 2005
          • 3626

          Originally posted by Annie Oakley
          I have one question that I am very curious about. If a person buys all of the pieces to make a full auto M16, but doesn't assemble it, is it still illegal ?
          unfortunately Yes. Constructive possession of a machine gun.
          In any type of fight, & especially gun fights, there are no winners ..... just varying degrees of losers. The only fight you win is the one you never get into.

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          • #6
            Annie Oakley
            Senior Member
            • May 2007
            • 811

            Originally posted by 762cavalier
            unfortunately Yes. Constructive possession of a machine gun.
            Shoot ! So, what parts can't you own, and be legal ?
            Last edited by Annie Oakley; 09-20-2008, 7:32 PM.
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            • #7
              Glock30
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              • Mar 2008
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              Originally posted by Annie Oakley
              Shoot ! So, parts can't you own, and be legal ?
              Basically.
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                Saigon1965
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                • #9
                  762cavalier
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                  • Oct 2005
                  • 3626

                  Originally posted by Annie Oakley
                  Shoot ! So, what parts can't you own, and be legal ?
                  IIRC BCG, Fire control parts and especially the receiver.
                  In any type of fight, & especially gun fights, there are no winners ..... just varying degrees of losers. The only fight you win is the one you never get into.

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                    Annie Oakley
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                    • May 2007
                    • 811

                    Originally posted by Annie Oakley
                    Shoot ! So, what parts can't you own, and be legal ?
                    Oops, sorry guys, I missed a word.
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                    • #11
                      Annie Oakley
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                      • May 2007
                      • 811

                      Originally posted by 762cavalier
                      IIRC BCG, Fire control parts and especially the receiver.
                      Hm, okay, I think BCG= Bolt Carrier Group

                      Fire control parts, would be trigger, sear, and selector switch.

                      And lastly I'm assuming the lower receiver that you can you can put all of these things in ? Did I get it right ?
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                      • #12
                        5150Marcelo
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                        • Mar 2008
                        • 7681

                        Originally posted by saigon1965
                        Do bears **** in the woods?
                        ...and wipe their *** with fluffy white rabbits
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                        • #13
                          bwiese
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                          • Oct 2005
                          • 27621

                          Originally posted by Annie Oakley
                          Hm, okay, I think BCG= Bolt Carrier Group

                          Fire control parts, would be trigger, sear, and selector switch.

                          And lastly I'm assuming the lower receiver that you can you can put all of these things in ? Did I get it right ?
                          Annie, to stay safe from the Feds (and CA, which has laws roughly echoing the Feds), don't possess:
                          - FA fire control parts (for ARs, trigger/sear/FA disco(?)/selector);
                          - short bbl (unless you own a legit matching pistol or pistol receiver;
                          - if you have AR pistol *only* but no AR rifle/rifle rcvr, don't own a buttstock/receiver extension tube;

                          For ARs, don't have a lower with an extra 'happy hole' either.
                          (I have less familiarity w/AK receivers, but they seem to be a no-no with a 3rd hole near the trigger, which is prompting certain Saiga designs to be recalled - there's a very recent thread about this somewhere here.)

                          'Constructive possession' applies, generally speaking, to those items under your ownership/control - lack of assembly into the gun doesn't matter, nor does separation/distance (i.e, sear in your Maine vacation home with the gun in your CA home).

                          It's legit to have M16 FA bolt carriers in your semiauto AR, various AR mfgrs ship this way.
                          Last edited by bwiese; 09-20-2008, 7:59 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Annie Oakley
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                            • May 2007
                            • 811

                            Originally posted by bwiese
                            Annie, to stay safe from the Feds (and CA, which has laws roughly echoing the Feds), don't possess:
                            - FA fire control parts (for ARs, trigger/sear/FA disco(?)/selector);
                            - short bbl (unless you own a legit matching pistol or pistol receiver;
                            - if you have AR pistol *only* but no AR rifle/rifle rcvr, don't own a buttstock/receiver extension tube;

                            For ARs, don't have a lower with an extra 'happy hole' either.
                            (I have less familiarity w/AK receivers, but they seem to be a no-no with a 3rd hole near the trigger, which is prompting certain Saiga designs to be recalled - there's a very recent thread about this somewhere here.)

                            'Constructive possession' applies, generally speaking, to those items under your ownership/control - lack of assembly into the gun doesn't matter, nor does separation/distance (i.e, sear in your Maine vacation home with the gun in your CA home).

                            It's legit to have M16 FA bolt carriers in your semiauto AR, various AR mfgrs ship this way.
                            Thank you Bill. I was reading the whole OLL thingy, and so I was naturally curious just what I could have and still be legal. I'm not sure what a "happy hole is", so I will ask, what is it ? Anyway, reading some of the posts from the guys about building their own made me miss shooting one. I may be in the market soon and so I will probably have alot more questions.

                            Oh btw, what's an FA disco ? And where does it go ?

                            Oh, almost forgot, I saw a complete rifle at Turners when I bought my little SA XD, but the magazine well was all closed up. Could I just switch that lower for one with an open magazine well ?
                            Last edited by Annie Oakley; 09-20-2008, 8:23 PM.
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                            • #15
                              762cavalier
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                              • Oct 2005
                              • 3626

                              Annie- The "happpy hole" is the whole which would allow a lower receiver to accept full auto fire control group.

                              FA disco would be full auto disconnecter.

                              Thanks Bill forgot the BCG (bolt carrier group) is OK
                              In any type of fight, & especially gun fights, there are no winners ..... just varying degrees of losers. The only fight you win is the one you never get into.

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