SAC PD "UOC MEMO" is circulating

[Liberty1]

Amateur Radio Communications (team).

Thanks for standing up for the truth!!! I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall watching the Lt.'s face during your presentation! Well at least they can't demote you for talking about the briefing. And you work for free so I doubt they'll fire you.

Tell them to come here and check things out.

What's funny is that the internal "memos" and "alerts" are months late and dollars short as the one and only (so far) Sac. unloaded open carry dinner was completed successfully April 12th.

[tombinghamthegreat]

Good job.

[bwiese]

Good one, Ironchef.

Thanks for standing up.

[Ironchef]

Good one, Ironchef.

Thanks for standing up.

Thanks to you for posting that first memo (and this new one is good to see also!)! Without it, and the efforts of mudcamper and many others tantalizing me with their tales of UOC, I'd never known any better. I'd be a master of FUD without this site and the activist efforts of you all.

And while waiting for incorporation and favorable legislation changes to carry (like removal of 12031), I'm weary of even mentioning things so as to avoid too much attention or "the wrong" attention it could have causing a negative effect on the movement. SO let's hope these memos are not stirring the wrong pots of 2A destruction, eh?

[CA_Libertarian]

Thank you, sir, for your courage. It's not easy to stand up like that. You did a lot of good for the open carry movement by dispelling the rumors that are circulating. At least one department is now a bit wiser.

[Liberty1]

At least one department is now a bit wiser.

hay you're famous! can i have your autograph?

[journeyman]

Well, if its worth anything, your stock as a Patriot, stand up guy, and the type of LEO I want to see wearing uniform, just shot up in value.
Again, thank you!

++1

[rayra]

Excellent. Well done sir. For bonus points you should approach the Lt's supervisor and command staff to ensure that they too are aware of the misinformation being circulated. And to prevent the almost certain retributional action the Lt will take against you.

[Ironchef]

Excellent. Well done sir. For bonus points you should approach the Lt's supervisor and command staff to ensure that they too are aware of the misinformation being circulated. And to prevent the almost certain retributional action the Lt will take against you.

I think I'm good where I'm at. I'm too yella to hit the whole office. I can imagine Sheriff Rupf sending a memo to the whole SD explaining how they don't tolerate gun-nuts wearing their uniforms..especially in volunteer capacity! lol

I'm sure I'll have more opportunity to discuss this with my Lt..and probably some of the Sergeants. There is one of us ARC guys who is also a calgunner, though he doesn't post here (lurker), who sadly wasn't there last night. Would have been cool if he was and chimed in saying "I too am a UOCer! ALL HAIL UOCers!"

I do have a SO ride-along coming up. We'll see how that goes! If I get a chatty deputy who is somewhat aligned with our beliefs, I will certainly hit him up to spread our propaganda throughout the department. It's better to infiltrate via a friendship or favorable acquaintance, rather than just cold calling or mailing a document they'll laugh at and toss. Also, if I get written back by the Antioch PD chief, and if it's positive, I'll use that as a supportive precedent when doing the smooth talking! haha

[CA_Libertarian]

hay you're famous! can i have your autograph?

You know... I just do it for the attention!

[ProlificARProspect]

Way to GO Brother,

I was in a meeting last night at the Contra Costa County Sheriff's ARC Team (which I'm a part of) and among the first announcements before getting to business (after reading the official events surrounding the death of MPD's Sgt Starzyk last week), our Lt. started saying, "It turns out that in Sacramento, there's a group who are out to get the cops by wearing guns in restaurants, then calling the cops, video taping them, and trying to get them to make false arrests so they can sue the city for lots of money." What's more is he said it angrily and with a tone much more aggressive than the memo itself.

As I heard him start mentioning it and passing around a copy of the memo, I realized he was talking about one of the open carry groups in Sacramento and the SAC PD cheif's memo that we saw here a couple months ago. As nervous as I was to speak up, I interrupted the ordeal by saying something along the lines of, "Actually sir, I'm in association with that group and I'm aware of their true objectives and trapping cops is definitely not one of them. They are somewhat of an activist group who just have get togethers once in a while exercising their rights to be armed..even if unloaded. They bring the cameras for their own protection because they fear unjust handling by not-so-well-versed LEOs. This is why they contacted the SAC PD chief with all the pertinent code and case law citations and their intention to UOC..."

Then the discussion turned towards the actual codes because my Lt and another member of our group were confused about "the proximity law" regarding where loaded mags can be if you're carrying. And without skipping a beat, I let them know there's no code whatsoever regarding proximity..but explained there was an enhancement law regarding carrying a loaded mag, with or without a gun, for gang members that might be considered carrying a loaded gun.

I then, without reading any citations, was able to inform the group by citing 12025 (f), then using Clark with 12031 to discuss what loaded is, explained the school zone and gov't building restrictions, and then shared the OC pamphlet I happened to have in my bag.

While stressful, it was exhilerating to hopefully educate this group who would have otherwise been left hating on some "gun nuts" in Sacramento trying to entrap cops.

So yeah, anyway....CCC SO is definitely circulating the memo. And even though I discussed UOC in Antioch with one of the PD Chief's staff there, and he was cool with it, I can guess they already got a copy since a) the staff member was completely savvy on the citations I gave him right out of the pamphlet, and b) I haven't received an official letter back from the Chief after I had asked him for his written acknowledgment of the lawfulness of UOC and his department's procedures handling "MWG" calls.

[WokMaster1]

Nice Ironchef.....

[Bad Voodoo]

Now that's making an impact! Nice job, IC!

[joeyriv]

<Another echo from the gallery> Nicely done, Ironchef!
It takes some serious gumption to speak out in a meeting like that. Thank you for standing up for us.

[tenpercentfirearms]

I call BS. I think he made the whole thing up as a way to get attention around here because that is what people do on Calguns. They make up crazy stories so we can all talk about how we think it is BS unless we see some video proof of this actual meeting.

Good job and now some moderator ban me for a couple weeks for being such a tool.