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I was in a meeting last night at the Contra Costa County Sheriff's ARC Team (which I'm a part of) and among the first announcements before getting to business (after reading the official events surrounding the death of MPD's Sgt Starzyk last week), our Lt. started saying, "It turns out that in Sacramento, there's a group who are out to get the cops by wearing guns in restaurants, then calling the cops, video taping them, and trying to get them to make false arrests so they can sue the city for lots of money." What's more is he said it angrily and with a tone much more aggressive than the memo itself.
As I heard him start mentioning it and passing around a copy of the memo, I realized he was talking about one of the open carry groups in Sacramento and the SAC PD cheif's memo that we saw here a couple months ago. As nervous as I was to speak up, I interrupted the ordeal by saying something along the lines of, "Actually sir, I'm in association with that group and I'm aware of their true objectives and trapping cops is definitely not one of them. They are somewhat of an activist group who just have get togethers once in a while exercising their rights to be armed..even if unloaded. They bring the cameras for their own protection because they fear unjust handling by not-so-well-versed LEOs. This is why they contacted the SAC PD chief with all the pertinent code and case law citations and their intention to UOC..."
Then the discussion turned towards the actual codes because my Lt and another member of our group were confused about "the proximity law" regarding where loaded mags can be if you're carrying. And without skipping a beat, I let them know there's no code whatsoever regarding proximity..but explained there was an enhancement law regarding carrying a loaded mag, with or without a gun, for gang members that might be considered carrying a loaded gun.
I then, without reading any citations, was able to inform the group by citing 12025 (f), then using Clark with 12031 to discuss what loaded is, explained the school zone and gov't building restrictions, and then shared the OC pamphlet I happened to have in my bag.
While stressful, it was exhilerating to hopefully educate this group who would have otherwise been left hating on some "gun nuts" in Sacramento trying to entrap cops.
So yeah, anyway....CCC SO is definitely circulating the memo. And even though I discussed UOC in Antioch with one of the PD Chief's staff there, and he was cool with it, I can guess they already got a copy since a) the staff member was completely savvy on the citations I gave him right out of the pamphlet, and b) I haven't received an official letter back from the Chief after I had asked him for his written acknowledgment of the lawfulness of UOC and his department's procedures handling "MWG" calls.
As I heard him start mentioning it and passing around a copy of the memo, I realized he was talking about one of the open carry groups in Sacramento and the SAC PD cheif's memo that we saw here a couple months ago. As nervous as I was to speak up, I interrupted the ordeal by saying something along the lines of, "Actually sir, I'm in association with that group and I'm aware of their true objectives and trapping cops is definitely not one of them. They are somewhat of an activist group who just have get togethers once in a while exercising their rights to be armed..even if unloaded. They bring the cameras for their own protection because they fear unjust handling by not-so-well-versed LEOs. This is why they contacted the SAC PD chief with all the pertinent code and case law citations and their intention to UOC..."
Then the discussion turned towards the actual codes because my Lt and another member of our group were confused about "the proximity law" regarding where loaded mags can be if you're carrying. And without skipping a beat, I let them know there's no code whatsoever regarding proximity..but explained there was an enhancement law regarding carrying a loaded mag, with or without a gun, for gang members that might be considered carrying a loaded gun.
I then, without reading any citations, was able to inform the group by citing 12025 (f), then using Clark with 12031 to discuss what loaded is, explained the school zone and gov't building restrictions, and then shared the OC pamphlet I happened to have in my bag.
While stressful, it was exhilerating to hopefully educate this group who would have otherwise been left hating on some "gun nuts" in Sacramento trying to entrap cops.
So yeah, anyway....CCC SO is definitely circulating the memo. And even though I discussed UOC in Antioch with one of the PD Chief's staff there, and he was cool with it, I can guess they already got a copy since a) the staff member was completely savvy on the citations I gave him right out of the pamphlet, and b) I haven't received an official letter back from the Chief after I had asked him for his written acknowledgment of the lawfulness of UOC and his department's procedures handling "MWG" calls.
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