Letter From Attorney General / LAPD Regarding Recent Purchase

[Citizen Snips]

I fill out the forms, knowing my information is going to provided to my FFL, BATFE and CA DOJ for the purpose of purchasing a firearm. Nothing else. Nowhere do I see anything indicating the information is also going to be provided to my local municipality within 48 hours, nor am I authorizing such a disclosure.

Yes, I realize the information may be requested and obtained by law enforcement within the scope of a criminal investigation, but purchasing a firearm is not a crime.

Sending intimidating letters with covertly obtained information should be a crime and probably is.

Well said. Tongue-in-cheek, certain counties would love to make purchasing a firearm a crime.

[Get3CoffinsReady]

I just got one in less than a week, my ten period isn't even up yet and the purchase was in Pasadena for a rifle.

[rkt88edmo]

What about out of state sales, isn't DROS a CA thing so selling out of state just gets transferred via the inbound FFL and wouldn't go through DROS?

[Dano3467]

And the downward spiral of a once great nation/state continues, as the populace are impaled on an inclined double helix, with continued turning of the government S-driver...

But on the bright side Obummer is on yet another fund raiser, & avoiding the job he gets paid for...

[all-cal]

Mark Feuer is one of the worst offenders in CA for introducing Nazi laws. He is responsible for long gun registration. Physically, he looks like a Sesame St. character.

[Dvrjon]

How does LA City get the firearm purchase information for the letters?

2008 Rand Corp study: http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand...RAND_TR512.pdf
Strategies for Disrupting Illegal Firearms Markets
A Case Study of Los Angeles
Greg Ridgeway, Glenn L. Pierce, Anthony A. Braga, George Tita, Garen Wintemute, Wendell Roberts

This study includes reviews on efforts to mitigate illegal firearm transfers in Los Angeles. It includes a "New Purchaser Notification Program" and a Criminal Purchase of Ammunition" program.

Page 37:

Letter Campaign
regardless of where the purchases occurred. CalDOJ set up a secure Web site that was updated daily with tables of data on targeted transactions. Each morning, a Los Angeles city-attorney staff member would access the Web site and produce new letters using the new names and addresses in the table. The letters were mailed on day two or three of the ten-day waiting period and presumably arrived by day five. This left several days for the gun buyer to read the letter and consider the pending firearm transaction.

The letter campaign was designed to examine if notification to purchasers would impact the incidence of straw purchases in South-Central LA (77th Street).

Summary Conclusions, Page 39: (This was in 2008).

The idea has generated substantial interest locally, and plans are forming to expand the program citywide, which will be phased into neighborhoods in such a way to allow us to evaluate its effect from a properly measured baseline. State officials await the full evaluation before considering a larger program.

So, the program has expanded and the DOJ is most-probably still providing purchase data to LA. This also explains the design is based on residence, not place of purchase, although it may have expanded to both. That is, if you live outside the city and purchase within city limits, you get a letter; if you live within city limits and buy outside the city, you also get a letter.

The report also discusses ammo sales restrictions . Good read to provide background on the origins of this stuff.

Best.

[ja308]

That Rand outfit is pretty smart, reading their material I've discovered that earths temperature has always been constant, until humans started using fossil fuels !

If anyone group can address gun problems and straw purchases effectively, it's certainly a think tank that denies earth has ever experianced " ice ages"
Good work Rand ! I hope you got paid well .

[Vlad 11]

How does LA City get the firearm purchase information for the letters?

2008 Rand Corp study: http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand...RAND_TR512.pdf
Strategies for Disrupting Illegal Firearms Markets
A Case Study of Los Angeles
Greg Ridgeway, Glenn L. Pierce, Anthony A. Braga, George Tita, Garen Wintemute, Wendell Roberts

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...0&postcount=16

haha good find

this does need to be reiterated frequently.

We are the guinea pigs in this unfolding strategy. First they had the info on handgun purchases, now they have the info on the registered long guns. The next step will be ammunition tracking. I foresee letters regarding recent purchases of ammunition... you know to remind you of safe storage . They want to build a huge database of our info that they will plug into their studies. The conclusions of which will inevitably lead to more rights usurping legislation

They desire total information and total control

[Dvrjon]

Mark Feuer is one of the worst offenders in CA for introducing Nazi laws. He is responsible for long gun registration. Physically, he looks like a Sesame St. character.

First Nazi reference.

Invoking Godwin's law.

/thread.

[Vlad 11]

No denying that Mike Feuer is one of the worst, arguably the worst. But id say more of a Marxist

Ironic that his father is a WW2 vet, German prison camp survivor. And Mike is the champion of anti-civil rights, anti-freedom legislation



used his fathers war record for his City Attorney campaign.

[anthonyca]

Can this be some type of legal violation that could subject DOJ to monetary damages? My thought leans to a release of confidential information, a severe violations of a persons privacy, etc. Any of our more legal-savy members wish to comment?
My goal would be to inflict costs on both L.A. City and DOJ. The more we can cause them to be forced to spend the better.

Isn't is telling that the same politicians who say that asking to just look at an ID to vote is not acceptable because that would intimidate people into not voting are the same politicians who send out these letters?

[roger1022]

I guess they are sending this letter to buyers of any firearms now. I know someone who just DROS a long gun and low and behold they received a letter.

I did get one last year for a pistol purchase. Guess they found another use for the registration program.

[advocatusdiaboli]

As the ALCU said when opposing the proposed federal gun registry last year, fearing that if the data were collected, someone would abuse it and referring to a registry database: "If you build it, they will come". (Taking a line from The Field of Dreams).

Well, the first ones (surely not the last) have come to mine the data. THIS is what happens when you register your firearms. the Jews in Berlin though is was a simple yellow star...but that was only the beginning. So it is here too.

[jetman624]

Is this like a big brother "we know where you live" sort of thing?

Creepy as hell...

[RRangel]

I would be tempted to pen a reply, and remind the attorney general and the city of Los Angeles, that the Second Amendment is an individual incorporated right. That I don't recall them solving all the city's problems, that they should be so concerned with, wasting time and effort on my dime attempting to intimidate people that exercise constitutional rights. I might go into great detail of how complicit they are to the nullification of such a constitutional right. Maybe even have it sent registered mail, so some political appointed lackey, would have to read it. Maybe a photo copy of the Bill of Rights in the envelope too.