How has AB809 affected you?

[briguybro]

AB809 had the opposite effect on me. It made me go out and buy way too many rifles. I made sure I bought a few years supply before it went into effect. It also led to me joining CalGuns and donating a ton of money toward the 2a cause. Sorry gun-grabbers, you just created a 2a advocate out of me. I probably would have done nothing if they didn't pass it.

[glockman19]

I will not buy another long gun in CA until the law is changed. I will continue to buy uppers for my lowers

[Moemoe1]

Buying some bolt actions and shotguns this year. Only bought 1 AR related purchase this year

[rm1911]

This brings up a question. I bought a few "black rifles" in 2013 before AB 809 was enacted. If the CA DOJ did not keep records of long-gun purchases prior to Jan 1, 2014, is my only proof of ownership "possession" or my receipt or both, or neither.....?

They have the dros record. No, they didn't get serial #'s and no they don't know if you bought one or a dozen. But they know that, on let's say June 12, 2013, you purchased at least one long gun at joe's gun shop. There will be a form 4473 that the doj or any LEO can access in about 30 seconds.

That's why even background checks are so onerous. Because it is de facto registration. They can find out any gun you've purchased that went through a dealer and processed a dros.

They know how many dros's you did.

Now, in the grand scheme of things, there are 10 million gun owners in kalifornia. Why they'd single you out, and that they'd single you out, is long odds and most likely not gonna happen. However...

They could theoretically pass a mandatory registration bill (been done in Canada. Wouldn't be a shock in Kali) and it's all of a simple database query to look up and list names and number of dros's and send out letters saying you need to register X number of long guns.

Bottom line is this. Can they look up and say "he owns 3 ar15's"? No. Can they look up and say he owns at least 3 long guns? Yes. They're halfway there.

That's why numbers are out biggest ally. The more millions of us there are the better. Makes their job harder.

[Jet Setter]

It does not bother me at all. My only problem is not enough money and too many choices.

[ErikTheRed]

As much as I detest the law, I do so mostly on principle. We've been supplying the tyrants with purchase information for many years through DROS. If they wanna know who you are and what you bought, the information is there for the asking. All the law did was make the same info easier for them to see, without having to ask.

[Jsalud]

I bought me a shotgun and parts to complete an AR 15. Wouldve bought more had my budget permitted.

[wagon b0y]

Bought a FDE Tavor 18 and OD KSG this year.

No black rifles for me

I figured one day they are going to pass a law where we will have to register all of our old guns that we possessed before 2014 anyway. i think like conniticut?

[dca965]

They have the dros record. No, they didn't get serial #'s and no they don't know if you bought one or a dozen. But they know that, on let's say June 12, 2013, you purchased at least one long gun at joe's gun shop. There will be a form 4473 that the doj or any LEO can access in about 30 seconds.

That's why even background checks are so onerous. Because it is de facto registration. They can find out any gun you've purchased that went through a dealer and processed a dros.

They know how many dros's you did.

Now, in the grand scheme of things, there are 10 million gun owners in kalifornia. Why they'd single you out, and that they'd single you out, is long odds and most likely not gonna happen. However...

They could theoretically pass a mandatory registration bill (been done in Canada. Wouldn't be a shock in Kali) and it's all of a simple database query to look up and list names and number of dros's and send out letters saying you need to register X number of long guns.

Bottom line is this. Can they look up and say "he owns 3 ar15's"? No. Can they look up and say he owns at least 3 long guns? Yes. They're halfway there.

That's why numbers are out biggest ally. The more millions of us there are the better. Makes their job harder.

Thanks so much for this answer I really appreciate the knowledge and dedication of members like you. So many laws to abide by, so little time to read them all.......and we do need to keep them guessing, so buying more is probably a good thing!

[omgwtfbbq]

I don't know how much it has effected me quite yet. I've been focused on finishing the two AR builds I started at the end of last year. After that I have other firearms priorities that aren't black rifles.

In the future I feel that I will continue to purchase long guns of all times regardless of the registration requirements. We live in a time where there is so much unprotected data about our lives floating around that if confiscation was to come to be a reality, they would hardly need a database to know who owns what. I understand that people who have been collecting a building for years might not have as large of a E-footprint, but those of us in the 21-35 crowd are probably already screwed.

[chris]

Was in the market for a 7mm before the law was passed and came into effect but couldn't find one in my price range. Now that I have more cash on hand I am holding off until the law changes or I move out of CA.

i bought my 7mm just before the new registration law took affect. wasn't too much either.

[donw]

Buying some bolt actions and shotguns this year. Only bought 1 AR related purchase this year

keep in mind an AR, you can always get UPPERS, in different calibers, without registering them...

[jaymz]

Hasn't changed my buying habits a bit. In today's world, unless you try REALLY hard, there's a record of damn near everything you do somewhere.

[furyous68]

I have an unregistered- but DROS'd lower I bought in 2012, and will finish out a couple 80% as backups to that incase they come after it. I also plan on keeping my lowers separated, and those lowers separate from my uppers if things get any worse. If they come for anything... they'll get a stripped out serialized lower

[CALI-gula]

We'll see as the year progresses for a more accurate answer. So far it has only affected my attention to C&R rifles due to taken away the face-to-face advantage/less cost/ease. The dros requirement has not scared me off on modern rifles. I haven't purchased any yet this year for other reasons. Come June I'll have a better answer.

Had to dump a chunk of dough this month for the IRS, property taxes, bills cutting into gun money but that happens every year this time of year.

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