APPS Agents Tired of DOJ Tactics

[franklinarmory]

Recently I got a call from an inside source. It appears that several of the DOJ Agents working on the APPS project are getting tired of their daily activities and want to get the word out. They became LE officers to put bad guys in jail. Instead they are being told by their supervisors to arrest 90 year old Californians that somehow acquired a gun after having felonies dating back over 50 years ago. True, to the letter of the law, these grandparents should not have been able to obtain a gun in the first place, but this is obviously a misappropriation of resources.

Instead of going after drug cartels, certified gang members, or the 360,000 people adjudicated mentally ill by California courts, APPS supervisors feel it is safer and easier for their staff to stack their arrest numbers by attacking what should be the lowest priority persons on their list. It appears that DOJ is so risk averse that they will pad their numbers by going after the people that are weakest to respond and least likely to present a threat to the agents. I applaud their interest in protecting their personnel, but that really doesn't do much to protect the public they were sworn to serve! Don't we pay them well to take these risks?

All I can say is that you know it must be bad if the agents themselves are breaking ranks and getting the word out that there is a problem!

I suppose this should not come as a surprise since I myself was under Cal-DOJ surveillance last year for several months. I couldn't help but think that DOJ was wasting a lot of state money trying to find dirt on a political enemy. Given that they have the right to inspect my offices, I couldn't understand why they were surveilling my house, following me to work, and even driving out to my ranch to check up on me. Ultimately I called BOF to inform them that they were welcome to stop by instead of wasting so many resources. Soon after that, they either got a lot more sneaky or stopped, but what a waste of money!

[SanPedroShooter]

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[Noble Cause]

Recently I got a call from an inside source. It appears that several of the DOJ Agents working on the APPS project are getting tired of their daily activities and want to get the word out. They became LE officers to put bad guys in jail. Instead they are being told by their supervisors to arrest 90 year old Californians that somehow acquired a gun after having felonies dating back over 50 years ago. True, to the letter of the law, these grandparents should not have been able to obtain a gun in the first place, but this is obviously a misappropriation of resources.

Instead of going after drug cartels, certified gang members, or the 360,000 people adjudicated mentally ill by California courts, APPS supervisors feel it is safer and easier for their staff to stack their arrest numbers by attacking what should be the lowest priority persons on their list. It appears that DOJ is so risk averse that they will pad their numbers by going after the people that are weakest to respond and least likely to present a threat to the agents. I applaud their interest in protecting their personnel, but that really doesn't do much to protect the public they were sworn to serve! Don't we pay them well to take these risks?

All I can say is that you know it must be bad if the agents themselves are breaking ranks and getting the word out that there is a problem!

I suppose this should not come as a surprise since I myself was under Cal-DOJ surveillance last year for several months. I couldn't help but think that DOJ was wasting a lot of state money trying to find dirt on a political enemy. Given that they have the right to inspect my offices, I couldn't understand why they were surveilling my house, following me to work, and even driving out to my ranch to check up on me. Ultimately I called BOF to inform them that they were welcome to stop by instead of wasting so many resources. Soon after that, they either got a lot more sneaky or stopped, but what a waste of money!

Emphasis mine.

If what you suspect is true, this does not surprise me in the least.

The money for the program was basically stolen from gunowners when the
Excessive fees we're not returned to the people forced to pay them, or at the
very least, a reduction in said fees to match the actual cost of dros program.

It's all part of California politicians assault upon the Second Amendment.

It's not about reducing actual danger to the public, it's about only giving the
appearance of doing so.

In other words using our money against us, by using a program that anti gun
politicians can use to say they are tough on crime, then get political goodwill
from the general public to support more attacks on our rights.


Noble

[six seven tango]

It's all part of California politicians assault upon the Second Amendment.

It's not about reducing actual danger to the public, it's about only giving the
appearance of doing so.

In other words using our money against us, by using a program that anti gun
politicians can use to say they are tough on crime, then get political goodwill
from the general public to support more attacks on our rights.


Noble

This^^^

They want to be able to stack their arrest records and then turn around and say...see, we're enforcing the law but it's not making a difference in crime. We need more gun control.

[Bsandoc40]

Emphasis mine.

If what you suspect is true, this does not surprise me in the least.

The money for the program was basically stolen from gunowners when the
Excessive fees we're not returned to the people forced to pay them, or at the
very least, a reduction in said fees to match the actual cost of dros program.

It's all part of California politicians assault upon the Second Amendment.

It's not about reducing actual danger to the public, it's about only giving the
appearance of doing so.

In other words using our money against us, by using a program that anti gun
politicians can use to say they are tough on crime, then get political goodwill
from the general public to support more attacks on our rights.


Noble

California politicians and the idiots who continue to vote them into office free safe in their "fantasy" world where the only criminals are those they deem against their values and politician agenda. Real criminals are misunderstood and should be treated with more care than law-abiding CITIZENS!!!

[wchutt]

I understand politicians who only care for money and power, but I have always wondered how the DOJ and ATF can find so MANY LEOs and vets who are willing to break their oath of service/ oath of affirmation and enforce laws which clearly are contrary to the Constitution. The bell curve says there will always be some bad apples, but that the DOJ and ATF seems to have no problem finding so many of these people is both sad and scary.

[SuperSet]

Interesting post. Thanks for the background.

[UberPatriot]

I understand politicians who only care for money and power, but I have always wondered how the DOJ and ATF can find so MANY LEOs and vets who are willing to break their oath of service/ oath of affirmation and enforce laws which clearly are contrary to the Constitution. The bell curve says there will always be some bad apples, but that the DOJ and ATF seems to have no problem finding so many of these people is both sad and scary.

Answer...
They only recruit those that will do as told regardless and inspite of the constitution.

[dustoff31]

Recently I got a call from an inside source. It appears that several of the DOJ Agents working on the APPS project are getting tired of their daily activities and want to get the word out. They became LE officers to put bad guys in jail. Instead they are being told by their supervisors to arrest 90 year old Californians that somehow acquired a gun after having felonies dating back over 50 years ago. True, to the letter of the law, these grandparents should not have been able to obtain a gun in the first place, but this is obviously a misappropriation of resources.

Instead of going after drug cartels, certified gang members, or the 360,000 people adjudicated mentally ill by California courts, APPS supervisors feel it is safer and easier for their staff to stack their arrest numbers by attacking what should be the lowest priority persons on their list. It appears that DOJ is so risk averse that they will pad their numbers by going after the people that are weakest to respond and least likely to present a threat to the agents. I applaud their interest in protecting their personnel, but that really doesn't do much to protect the public they were sworn to serve! Don't we pay them well to take these risks?

All I can say is that you know it must be bad if the agents themselves are breaking ranks and getting the word out that there is a problem!

That's a nice story. And I mean that. But unless they are willing to back it up by resigning or better, lateralling to another agency where they can do real LE work, that's all it is. A nice story. The politics in CA DOJ isn't going to change. Certainly not in the forseeable future.

[wjc]

Thanks for the intel, OP.

Looks like the supervisors need to justify all that money they stole from us.

[AKSOG]

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[stix213]

You forgot to mention that arresting 90 year old grandpas is also cost effective, since they won't live long enough to complete their sentence or even an appeal.....

[Gio]

Gov does not give a flying about what is right or wrong, they just want $ for getting more criminals off the street. In times of hardship many carpenters have been struggling, CA Dept. of Labor has been setting up stings to arrest workers that are willing to do work but since the jobs are over $500 they arrest and fine those. It is a trap setup by the Dept. of Labor, how is that?

[CitaDeL]

There are two ways to take this.

First, is that there is some doubt of the effectiveness of knocking on doors and intimidating some old man into relinquishing firearms he's had for most of his life.

The second, is the APPS operators signed up for this law enforcement job to kick in some doors and grind some young punk under their knee, and there isn't any satisfaction in pushing grampa around.

Either way, they are on the wrong side of this issue, regardless of why they are dissatisfied.

[Tasty]

It'd be fantastic if these officers who are "fed up" would start speaking about it and bring attention to the issue. Until then, they're pretty content with letting the state push the rest of us around.