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I am going to ask everyone to recognize that we are interdependent on each other and ask that members of this board not to not only go out and do independent things, but to discourage others from doing so as well.
If someone has 50 K to spend on court actions, they are more than welcome to institute legal action, but most of us don't fit the bill.
I am going to plead, beg, get on my knees and ask people to refrain from blantant open unloaded carry. In most parts of the state it causes problems.
In areas where you can do it without problems, it isn't a political issue.
The sheriffs in those areas would probably issue ccw permits anyway.
For those of you who feel you need armed protection, go for a CCW permit, go to CalCCW.org. That board will help you guys with good cause statements. It is a great resource, use it.
The board asks that you not post your good cause publically, rather make a request for help, they help via PMs.
The Heller case was designed as a limited case to get a ruling on wheter the 2nd amendment is a individual right versus a collective right.
Scalia went to town and gave us way more than I expected
The Incorporation question is the key. The Incorporation of the 2nd amendment by the courts will open up the Genie of state and local court actions.
Once we have incorporation, we can then get a case establishing our right to open carry. Once the legislature is straight jacketed, we can have our open carry marches, we could even possibly have "Loaded" carry marches.
I want us to go on offense big time, but let's be effective. Let's lay down a solid foundation, then we can evolve into a wolf pack and tear our opponents apart piece by piece.
As we get more victories, more gun owners will evolve from sheeps into wolves and our wolf pack will grow bigger, stronger and hungrier.
Once we are at this point, then we can engage in some independent actions to have fun with our opponents. At this point, we would be able to really take advantage of targets of opportunity.
Independent action taken with calculated risks and limited loss potential is smart.
The Heller case represents above values.
Independent actions taken without regards to risks is reckless and potentially hurts everyone.
The Silveria case represents above values.
Our opponents are sheep and they will never grow into wolfs because they are mentally crippled with a dependent mindset. People with dependent mindsets are like Ostriches when faced with things they can't deal with.
They stick their heads into the sand and hope things will go away.
We will go away, after we eat their bodies and leave their heads stuck in the sand.
The purpose of the marches would be of course to educate the public and to make a political statement (first amendment right).
Now where would we make the marches. Alot would depend on how many people would participate. I would lean towards starting in gun friendly areas first to build momentum, say Bakersfield, maybe Fresno,then onto larger areas like San Diego.
I don't think we should hit San Fran or LA unless we can get thousands of people to commit to being in the marches. For those cities, we need to give them a special treat.
The march I want for them would be sponsored not by the NRA or other traditional gun groups, but the Pink Pistols. This way, if the press tries to do a hatchet job, they are percieved as attacking the Gay community.
All marches of course need to have a public spokesperson. What would happen to the liberal mindset if that person was a transexual
Think about it, what are they going to do. It will be on a weekend, it will be some lower level editor that has to make a decision on a news story.
On weekends there really isn't any news, such a story could go nationwide.
Isn't this the type of thing you guys want, to make liberals squirm.
If it goes nationwide, especially if we could get things rolling before the elections, it could become a Oct. surprise for our friend Obama who supposedly has found the second amendment.
We could make this happen if we are smart.
Such marches were done in Ohio a few years back and the result was the governor finally signed a CCW bill that he was stalling for 8 years.
We don't need a new CCW bill, the current law isn't that horrible except for the good cause portion. A Cal CCW permit doesn't have alot of no carry zones on it.
These marches will put pressure on sheriffs to issue CCW permits on a non discrimatory basis.
Hell, it could give us enough public support to actually recall this guys for refusal to issue ccw permits, especially if it comes out that the only people who get permits seem to be politically connected.
Long post, sorry guys, I just had something to say.
Its better to burn out, then fade awayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
Nicki
If someone has 50 K to spend on court actions, they are more than welcome to institute legal action, but most of us don't fit the bill.
I am going to plead, beg, get on my knees and ask people to refrain from blantant open unloaded carry. In most parts of the state it causes problems.
In areas where you can do it without problems, it isn't a political issue.
The sheriffs in those areas would probably issue ccw permits anyway.
For those of you who feel you need armed protection, go for a CCW permit, go to CalCCW.org. That board will help you guys with good cause statements. It is a great resource, use it.
The board asks that you not post your good cause publically, rather make a request for help, they help via PMs.
The Heller case was designed as a limited case to get a ruling on wheter the 2nd amendment is a individual right versus a collective right.
Scalia went to town and gave us way more than I expected
The Incorporation question is the key. The Incorporation of the 2nd amendment by the courts will open up the Genie of state and local court actions.
Once we have incorporation, we can then get a case establishing our right to open carry. Once the legislature is straight jacketed, we can have our open carry marches, we could even possibly have "Loaded" carry marches.
I want us to go on offense big time, but let's be effective. Let's lay down a solid foundation, then we can evolve into a wolf pack and tear our opponents apart piece by piece.
As we get more victories, more gun owners will evolve from sheeps into wolves and our wolf pack will grow bigger, stronger and hungrier.
Once we are at this point, then we can engage in some independent actions to have fun with our opponents. At this point, we would be able to really take advantage of targets of opportunity.
Independent action taken with calculated risks and limited loss potential is smart.
The Heller case represents above values.
Independent actions taken without regards to risks is reckless and potentially hurts everyone.
The Silveria case represents above values.
Our opponents are sheep and they will never grow into wolfs because they are mentally crippled with a dependent mindset. People with dependent mindsets are like Ostriches when faced with things they can't deal with.
They stick their heads into the sand and hope things will go away.
We will go away, after we eat their bodies and leave their heads stuck in the sand.
The purpose of the marches would be of course to educate the public and to make a political statement (first amendment right).
Now where would we make the marches. Alot would depend on how many people would participate. I would lean towards starting in gun friendly areas first to build momentum, say Bakersfield, maybe Fresno,then onto larger areas like San Diego.
I don't think we should hit San Fran or LA unless we can get thousands of people to commit to being in the marches. For those cities, we need to give them a special treat.
The march I want for them would be sponsored not by the NRA or other traditional gun groups, but the Pink Pistols. This way, if the press tries to do a hatchet job, they are percieved as attacking the Gay community.
All marches of course need to have a public spokesperson. What would happen to the liberal mindset if that person was a transexual
Think about it, what are they going to do. It will be on a weekend, it will be some lower level editor that has to make a decision on a news story.
On weekends there really isn't any news, such a story could go nationwide.
Isn't this the type of thing you guys want, to make liberals squirm.
If it goes nationwide, especially if we could get things rolling before the elections, it could become a Oct. surprise for our friend Obama who supposedly has found the second amendment.
We could make this happen if we are smart.
Such marches were done in Ohio a few years back and the result was the governor finally signed a CCW bill that he was stalling for 8 years.
We don't need a new CCW bill, the current law isn't that horrible except for the good cause portion. A Cal CCW permit doesn't have alot of no carry zones on it.
These marches will put pressure on sheriffs to issue CCW permits on a non discrimatory basis.
Hell, it could give us enough public support to actually recall this guys for refusal to issue ccw permits, especially if it comes out that the only people who get permits seem to be politically connected.
Long post, sorry guys, I just had something to say.
Its better to burn out, then fade awayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
Nicki
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