Locked, enclosed handgun cases... on the hip? Concealed or not?

[gunsmith]

I like it

It would make for great conversation starters on the bus in SF

[Theseus]

Possible. .. but tricky.

My understanding of the cars concealment language - the locked box would then make the weapon not fall under the definition of concealed because the understanding is that the weapon being locked in a case thus makes it unable to be concealed. The idea being that the lock box prevents it from being readably available for use as a firearm.

PC12025 (a)A person is guilty of carrying a concealed firearm when
he or she does any of the following:

(1) Carries concealed within any vehicle which is under his or her
control or direction any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable
of being concealed upon the person.

This also does not state that it has to be opaque, transparent or otherwise. Locked is locked and thus unconcealed. The important thing to not is that you are still not allowed loaded.

To the locking mechanism. It could be a ring worn on the hand that contains a magnet or maybe a small computer or RF chip that can send the signal to the holster the authority to release the weapon.They are locking devices. . .

As for open carry? It isn't concealed if ANY PART OF THE WEAPON OR HOLSTER CAN BE EASILY SEEN. If it is a bely holster you are also in the clear.

[Liberty1]

I admire your enthusiasm but have to correct a few things.

My understanding of the cars concealment language - the locked box would then make the weapon not fall under the definition of concealed...

If it is concealed, it is still concealed even when in a normal locked box. When it is also unloaded one is exempt in certain circumstances (12026 1a &2a PC among other sections not included)

This also does not state that it has to be opaque, transparent or otherwise. Locked is locked and thus unconcealed. .

see above

As for open carry? It isn't concealed if ANY PART OF THE WEAPON OR HOLSTER CAN BE EASILY SEEN. If it is a bely holster you are also in the clear.

Not true. Case law says if any part of the firearm is even partially concealed it is a 12025 violation. (People v Hale 1974) I don't agree with Hale but until it is overturned it is controling.

Arizona law is that if any part of the gun or 2" of the holster are showing it is not concealed.

[Theseus]

I admire your enthusiasm but have to correct a few things.

If it is concealed, it is still concealed even when in a normal locked box. When it is also unloaded one is exempt in certain circumstances (12026 1a &2a PC among other sections not included)

see above

Not true. Case law says if any part of the firearm is even partially concealed it is a 12025 violation. (People v Hale 1974) I don't agree with Hale but until it is overturned it is controling.

Arizona law is that if any part of the gun or 2" of the holster are showing it is not concealed.

I am partially wrong. I am guilty of trying to argue off the top of my head instead of referring back to my own pamphlet.

You can not be charged with concealed in your car if it is in a fully enclosed container in your trunk, or is in a fully enclosed locked container.

[FlyingPen]

We've been over this very idea a few times in Calguns

If you do a search, you'll see some quality posts on why this idea won't fly.

[Ding126]

I see a skit on SNL where Gun enthusiast walking around parks and malls with a metal lock box on their belt......

[sorensen440]

very interesting
I'll take two

[Codelphious]

It's been done before:



BTW, Robocop's implementation looks a helluva lot cooler than a see-thru-plastic box.

[grammaton76]

We've been over this very idea a few times in Calguns

If you do a search, you'll see some quality posts on why this idea won't fly.

I've seen plenty of stuff about leather holsters, or non-fully-enclosed holsters, sometimes with a lock.

I haven't seen anything about fully-enclosed (and maybe transparent) holsters with a lock.