Bullet button rifle with a 30 round magazine shell (no internals) legal?

[Gemini Effect]

Not legal

How is it not legal? We are allowed to import/buy (for now) magazine rebuild kits. This is essentially what OP has or actually, even less. It is just a shell.

[bwiese]

You could turn it upside down and use it as a gravity fed ammunition feeding devise. So, if I was on a jury, I'd consider it a felony unless it was on a RAW.

Bingo. I simply dunno why friggin' people can't THINK. Jeeezus.

[LoneYote]

You could turn it upside down and use it as a gravity fed ammunition feeding devise. So, if I was on a jury, I'd consider it a felony unless it was on a RAW.

Bingo. I simply dunno why friggin' people can't THINK. Jeeezus.

Wouldn't that make every rifle owner a felon? If the shell was not there you could pour an infinite amount of ammunition into the weapon by gravity....

[GMONEY]

You could turn it upside down and use it as a gravity fed ammunition feeding devise. So, if I was on a jury, I'd consider it a felony unless it was on a RAW.

You would consider it a felony? I guess you never heard the term jury nullification? Sorry, but I would never convict anyone on a law that is unjust, but hey thats just me.

Yes, a 10/30 is what I will do then. I was just curious guys as I had never thought about it before.

[Rock6.3]

to hang a firearm as art in the house...

Use an 80% lower. Problem avoided.

[cfm117]

What about installing a single shot follower in a 30 round body?

[tal3nt]

Isn't this how rebuild kits are often stored.......................? A well known CG vendor sent my pmag kits with the baseplate on the mag, follower/spring/floorplate assembly separated.

[prometa]

You could turn it upside down and use it as a gravity fed ammunition feeding devise. So, if I was on a jury, I'd consider it a felony unless it was on a RAW.

Has anyone ever done this? I'd expect it wouldn't feed reliably without spring pressure to both (A) keep the next round against the feed lips and (B) push it fast enough that it gets there before the buffer spring pushes the bolt carrier back forward. If it wouldn't function and there was no evidence the owner had intent to try to make it work, I couldn't convict.

IIRC, hopper-fed guns are not considered equipped with a large capacity magazine. That's essentially what you're creating.

[bwiese]

Has anyone ever done this? I'd expect it wouldn't feed reliably without spring pressure to both (A) keep the next round against the feed lips and (B) push it fast enough that it gets there before the buffer spring pushes the bolt carrier back forward. If it wouldn't function and there was no evidence the owner had intent to try to make it work, I couldn't convict.

IIRC, hopper-fed guns are not considered equipped with a large capacity magazine. That's essentially what you're creating.

Riiiiight sonny.

Tell that to a CA judge that a magazine tube without a floor plate and which is loadable and operational is not a magazine.

[2nd Mass]

Riiiiight sonny.

Tell that to a CA judge that a magazine tube without a floor plate and which is loadable and operational is not a magazine.

Agreed.

While it may or may not be legal this is the point. What will the DA say? What will the jury say? What will the judge say?

Sometimes it's best to play it safe and go a bit beyond the technical understanding of law.

Additionally, the best phrase I usually use with such questions is "is it worth it?"

Does anyone remember the guy with an illegally configured sks. Cops came for a noise disturbance, he let them in and they saw the sks behind the couch. Boom, felony.

[stix213]

You would consider it a felony? I guess you never heard the term jury nullification? Sorry, but I would never convict anyone on a law that is unjust, but hey thats just me.

Yes, a 10/30 is what I will do then. I was just curious guys as I had never thought about it before.

You can consider it a felony under the law while you go for jury nullification. They are not mutually exclusive.

Thing is though, the types of people who end up on juries are unlikely to be up on gun rights, civil rights, etc. Working people get out of jury service more often than the people downing the EBT bought Dr Pepper, while chatting on their free Obama phone, only caring about themselves, who couldn't give a crap about "rights" as long as it doesn't affect their free money income. .

[0351USMC]

what about 5.7 AR upper with 30rds magazine shell to catch empty casing?

[taperxz]

Without spring and follower, it could hold more than 10 rounds.

AW status!

[tal3nt]

Without spring and follower, it could hold more than 10 rounds.

AW status!

Lol. So my ten rounds mags without spring and follower are illegal too?!?! I can't ever disassemble my CA legal mags?!?! No0oo0o0oo!!!

[tal3nt]

You could turn it upside down and use it as a gravity fed ammunition feeding devise. So, if I was on a jury, I'd consider it a felony unless it was on a RAW.

If YOU specifically were on a jury pertaining to this type of case, YOU would consider it a felony? Sickening