CA Resident, no CA ID

[sharkman]

If someone is physically living in CA, but does not have a CA DL or ID, and wishes to sell a rifle to a private party, DROS'd through an FFL, the lawful way, what else is considered lawful proof of residency, to complete the transaction?
The rifle in question is a bone stock Mini-14 Ranch Rifle, with no evil features, or hi cap mags. The guy offering it is simply someone who never got his CA DL, after moving here, nor felt the need to get a state issued ID.
His Mini is a great deal, and I don't want to miss out, SIMPLY because I INSIST on doing it all legal. My FFL, wants ID, to complete the transaction.

[morrcarr67]

Without a CA "ID" of some sort he can proves that he lives here he just won't be able to prove who he is.

And if he can't prove who he is he can't do the transfer.

[sharkman]

I am afraid of that. It's amazing that they need to know that much about the seller. Wouldn't it be better, all the way around, if we were certain that guns were going TO the law abiding, regardless who the seller is. I mean, sure, if the gun is stolen, then prosecute the seller. But, even if the seller is a prohibited person, isn't it better to get it into the hands of someone who is NOT prohibited? Oh well.
I don't see a way that I'm going to get to buy this one, unless he can come up with something. It's just such a good deal. A like new Mini-14, in the current market, for $500, is a deal one does not want to pass on, but, I refuse to do it outside the lawful manner.

[Hanniballs]

You can still buy it as an intrastate transfer. Doesn't qualify for PPT, dealer sets the transfer fee.. The FFL I use charges $50 plus dros.

[morrcarr67]

You can still buy it as an intrastate transfer. Doesn't qualify for PPT, dealer sets the transfer fee.. The FFL I use charges $50 plus dros.

I hadn't thought about that.

That would work.

[Gutz]

Can't that person provide a gas bill or car registration in lieu of ID?

[ke6guj]

You can still buy it as an intrastate transfer. Doesn't qualify for PPT, dealer sets the transfer fee.. The FFL I use charges $50 plus dros.

but the dealer still needs the seller's info to log it into his bound book. he's most likely going to want an ID/DL to receive it.

[Wolverine]

Can he assign a Power of Attorney to someone that does have a CA ID? Then the person with the CA ID goes with you to the FFL and does the PPT.

[Librarian]

Can he assign a Power of Attorney to someone that does have a CA ID? Then the person with the CA ID goes with you to the FFL and does the PPT.

The POA needs to be notarized - so the notary would need to see positive ID (not necessarily CA).

[retiredAFcop]

The guy offering it is simply someone who never got his CA DL, after moving here, nor felt the need to get a state issued ID.

Does this person drive using a DL from out of state or just doesn't drive?

[dfletcher]

If someone is physically living in CA, but does not have a CA DL or ID, and wishes to sell a rifle to a private party, DROS'd through an FFL, the lawful way, what else is considered lawful proof of residency, to complete the transaction?

The rifle in question is a bone stock Mini-14 Ranch Rifle, with no evil features, or hi cap mags. The guy offering it is simply someone who never got his CA DL, after moving here, nor felt the need to get a state issued ID.

His Mini is a great deal, and I don't want to miss out, SIMPLY because I INSIST on doing it all legal. My FFL, wants ID, to complete the transaction.

To clarify, the person SELLING the gun does not have CA ID but the person BUYING does have CA ID, correct?

[G-forceJunkie]

It's amazing that they need to know that much about the seller.

Because by law, if the buyer fails the background, the DOJ does a background check on the seller to be sure it is legal for the FFL to give it back to the seller.

[jaymz]

Would any laws be being broken if the seller loaned the rifle to someone with ID, and that someone sold the rifle to the op? IIRC, the paperwork asks for the sellers info, not necessarily the owner.

[sharkman]

First, the seller tells me he only has an out of state ID. He's a bit eccentric. I don't know if he drives. I was introduced through a mutual friend, and I think I'm just going to pass on the deal.
And, YES, the seller is the one not in possession of valid CA ID, only an OOS ID. I have had mine, since 1976, continuously. Like I say, I hate to pass up the deal, but, I just refuse to try to intentionally subvert the law, in any way. So, I'll have to pass this one up.

[sharkman]

All of this DOES bring up a thought. If someone were advertising for sale on, say, GunsAmerica, from Florida, and a California buyer bought it, would it HAVE to be shipped to the CA FFL, via common carrier? If the seller were to act as both the seller AND the shipper, and brought the gun to CA, what stops the transaction, is the simple fact that the seller does not have a CA ID?
That seems like an uncommon thought, unless you look at it this way. My brother in law, lives in Florida. If I wanted to buy his Remington 700, he could ship it to an FFL in CA, but could not just bring it, the next time he visits here, from there, then do the transaction, through the FFL, face to face? That makes no sense. But, most gun control legislation, doesn't make much sense.