What happens when the anti-2A camp becomes desperate?

[Excelsior]

Feinstein got smacked down and she is pissed.

I expect she will turn her focus toward the pending legislation here in California and throw her considerable political weight behind the anti-gun and ammo bills.

Somebody must be punished for disrespecting the Queen of California.

She needs to be shipped to a skilled nursing facility. Maybe she can share a room with Lautenberg.

[Wherryj]

Doesn't that also apply to gun owners and pro-gun groups?

Just a thought.

The difference is that anti-gun groups have pretty much unlimited money. They not only have their money, they use YOUR money against you in the form of taxes that they will throw at the law when it is challenged in court.

We can NEVER come up with the same amount of "desperation" because we'll have to fork over money for our side as well as the money to fight us. It's like running a race where one group runs downhill and the other runs uphill through molasses.

[lasbrg]

They're not desperate. More to the point, they don't need to be.

All the anti's need do in DC is wait for a suitably appropriate tragedy, and let their lapdogs in the Media do the rest. Thanks to the number of insane fools walking about in our society, they'll get their tragedy long before Obama packs up from the White House.

This is the correct answer.

Hopefully we won't have another mass shooting, or at least not for a long time, but the gun control belief system requires them to assume that the next one they can exploit is just around the corner. They will bide their time.

The factor which bailed us out at the Federal level was likely the Boston Bombing. Since the media had no choice but to cover that incident, the anti-gun agitprop machine got shut down right before the vote, which meant Joe and Jane SoccerMom didn't remember to call their Senators to support gun control.

I doubt that Boston made much difference. It didn't help their cause, for the reasons you list, but S649 was already dead by then.

[Excelsior]

The difference is that anti-gun groups have pretty much unlimited money. They not only have their money, they use YOUR money against you in the form of taxes that they will throw at the law when it is challenged in court.

Absolutely not true. Bloomberg and his new group have a huge budget but that is very recent.

We can NEVER come up with the same amount of "desperation" because we'll have to fork over money for our side as well as the money to fight us. It's like running a race where one group runs downhill and the other runs uphill through molasses.

So when GWB was in office we had all the advantages you now claim the anti-2Aers have?

[Moonshine]

Here's the reality: there is no desperation, only new legislation. So long as lobbyists and voters remain interested in gun control, new legislation will be introduced.

Same as our side: as long as the constituents and lobbyists are interested in gun rights, new legislation will be introduced.

There's no "new order", no secret agendas or conspiracies, just constituents and lobbyists using phone calls, letters, and influence to get legislation introduced.

How is gun legislation any different than other controversial issues such as gay marriage laws that vary by state and get heard in Supreme Court with no decisive federal ruling?

[sl0re10]

Should AW, Universal Registration and other bills fail to become law (please, God), what then happens when the anti-2A camp (led by Mr. Obama) becomes desperate?

I'm sure we've all considered what we would individually do if we were faced by draconian, unconstitutional laws -- say we lived in NY for instance. What will the anti-2A camp if they are complete losers at the federal level?

The reason I ask is that I have long believed individuals and groups become most dangerous when they become desperate.

Its not really their main issue so I just expect some Bush era freakouts. Maybe some idiot from democratic underground will try to shoot someone... to show guns are bad... and probably fail... [not as a conspiracy / false flag... just because they are pissed]

The bigger problem will be when the economy reacts to all the gov cash printing. They'll doublethink the blame onto us (it was the Iraq war and corp welfare!) and use it as a pretext for grabbing power (gotta protect people from those small gov people that got us in the ditch)...

[sl0re10]

Stage another school shooting? (ducks)

Dude; if that's your actual name (vs. someone you don't like) on your sig you sure you want to sh*t stir that bs? Big hard drives are cheap; this stuff could be on the wayback machine for the rest of your *unemployable* life.

[sl0re10]

We are living in very interesting times...

The hatred and desperation I feel from the anti-2A crowd is very much like that I feel from the pro-abortion crowd...

I know but it has been bad for over 10 years now. The argument I keep making, as someone aware of what your seeing, is there is no way I will give up my weapons with people like that demanding it. I know they hate us. And the two crowds above have a lot of overlap.

[Excelsior]

Here's the reality: there is no desperation, only new legislation. So long as lobbyists and voters remain interested in gun control, new legislation will be introduced.

Same as our side: as long as the constituents and lobbyists are interested in gun rights, new legislation will be introduced.

There's no "new order", no secret agendas or conspiracies, just constituents and lobbyists using phone calls, letters, and influence to get legislation introduced.

How is gun legislation any different than other controversial issues such as gay marriage laws that vary by state and get heard in Supreme Court with no decisive federal ruling?

I think there is -- with BHO himself.

For nearly 5 years now his anti-2A backers have been frustrated that he hasn't done anything about guns. Then Newtown where he got pulled deep into the discourse when he got spanked.

Getting spanked as he did will tend to create a touch of desperation in a person like BHO. We'll see...

[waffmaster]

Since they are going to scale up their attack on our civil rights, it is very important to take the power of the hands of people like Feinstein. We can do that only by voting her out.

[rm1911]

they are not desperate. these people have the long view of things. they are progressives, meaning progressive change. all change "forward" is progress, but the change happens progressively. this is as opposed to the bolshevik maximalist approach. bosheviks (and jacobins before them) waned massive and sudden total and complete change. but progressives are of a different dna. their's is one of slowly marching.

they won't be desperate and they won't be disheartened. they will do what they've always done, which is to continue to chip away, push, alter, etc., and slowly and steadily inch forward. they see the big picture, the long haul. that is the exact nature of progressives.

look at where we are today versus say 75 years ago. we live in a regulatory nightmare. we have a massive and infinitely complex taxation system. we have a massive redistributionist welfare state. it didn't happen overnight. we are so far along on that path, that any stumbling blocks on the way are just that. fascists like bloomberg and his ilk, whatever, they have money, time, and patience. I really wish it was a conspiracy, but it's simply not.

perhaps you've heard of the Cloward-Pliven strategy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy

it's not supposed to happen overnight. it's an open and obvious plan. incrementally, they will succeed. remember, they didn't lose. they just didn't win. this time. yet. see, we didn't win, we just didn't lose. this time. yet.

they failed but when they win, they get nothing from it. for them, losing and winning are the same outcome. winning only serves them in that it's a step closer. losing means nothing either. they are no better or worse off either way.

we fight and win, we've expended resources, and still we're right where we were at the start. we lose, and we never recover what we've lost. yes, we've been helped by heller and macdonald, and those are great in that we actually gained from them. but don't look at them other than simply more obstacles for the fascists to overcome. and it won't matter anyways because they're going to "change" the culture anyway. hot on the heels of heller the kalifornia legislature is set to make millions of citizens into felons (with marlin 60's) and they don't care one bit. you think they care at all about some SCOTUS decision? please.

desperation has never been a hallmark of progressives. look how long they've been at it. you think they'll ever stop.

[Moonshine]

Is there anything that's not a police state, world government, or secret society conspiracy with some of you guys? Just like we believe in gun rights other folks believe in gun control. Both groups will vote for representatives who will introduce legislation in their behalf and the constitution sets limits in how far either side can go. Recently those limits have been tested in cases such as Heller and McDonald.