Illegal to have BB Tool...

[Markasaurus]

the fact we are having this ridiculous discussion on "Tool or not tool/illegal or not" is simply a great big red flashing sign saying that with all the anti gun madness happening in the PRK, ALL our guns are going to be illegal in a matter of months. Ship your guns out of state, get ready to move out of this ****ing zoo state, or disarm.

[hoffmang]

the fact we are having this ridiculous discussion on "Tool or not tool/illegal or not" is simply a great big red flashing sign saying that with all the anti gun madness happening in the PRK, ALL our guns are going to be illegal in a matter of months. Ship your guns out of state, get ready to move out of this ****ing zoo state, or disarm.

Stay, have a spine and fight to win. We're making them make silly *** distinctions and change the law to handle how we last circumvented it. We'll keep messing with them until we get a final SCOTUS ruling at the right time.

There were many days in the 1960's that the African American civil rights movement looked like it might not prevail, in spite of major advancements, either. Winning long wars isn't a straight arc of won battles.

-Gene

[SoCal Gunner]

Stay, have a spine and fight to win. We're making them make silly *** distinctions and change the law to handle how we last circumvented it. We'll keep messing with them until we get a final SCOTUS ruling at the right time.

There were many days in the 1960's that the African American civil rights movement looked like it might not prevail, in spite of major advancements, either. Winning long wars isn't a straight arc of won battles.

-Gene

Excellent point and thanks for the sig line.

[bohoki]

You would be violating the law as you would have a detachable magazine and features if you had a pistol grip. A tool ceases to be a tool when it is attached to a semiauto centerfire rifle in such a way that one can remove the magazine without use of another tool.

-Gene

even if you have a cartridge in a sleeve on the butt? cause after all a bullet is a tool and that tool would be attached to the rifle thats not even taking into account the ones in the magazine

[hoffmang]

even if you have a cartridge in a sleeve on the butt? cause after all a bullet is a tool and that tool would be attached to the rifle thats not even taking into account the ones in the magazine

Does the cartridge, while still attached to the firearm, detach the magazine? What you describe doesn't do that unless you put a string on the cartridge to the rifle.

-Gene

[JDay]

even if you have a cartridge in a sleeve on the butt? cause after all a bullet is a tool and that tool would be attached to the rifle thats not even taking into account the ones in the magazine

That's not readily usable to drop the magazine.

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[uhlan1]

Does it matter anymore? Everything's going to be illegal soon.

Heh, Mr. Sunshine. Maybe, maybe not, brother.

[bohoki]

That's not readily usable to drop the magazine.

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ah so its ok to have it attached as long as it is detached for use i get it

so no bank pen(chain) but yes to ups signature pad pen(velcro)

[xjdesertfox]

even if you have a cartridge in a sleeve on the butt? cause after all a bullet is a tool and that tool would be attached to the rifle thats not even taking into account the ones in the magazine

but when you take the bullet out of the holder on the butt, its no longer attached to the gun...therefore making it a seperate tool.

[bohoki]

but when you take the bullet out of the holder on the butt, its no longer attached to the gun...therefore making it a seperate tool.

but it was

[dmckean44]

It really shouldn't matter. Someone should want to be the test case for this so it can't be overturned by Heller.

[kimber_ss]

Will a chamber flag, that is also a bullet button tool make it an AW when inserted into the chamber? J/K

[Para]

0nly when using Assault Bullets

[thomashoward]

Stay, have a spine and fight to win. We're making them make silly *** distinctions and change the law to handle how we last circumvented it. We'll keep messing with them until we get a final SCOTUS ruling at the right time.
-Gene

well said .give up nothing

[Anchors]

My theory:

Having your magazine release "tool" attached to your gun is illegal.
Otherwise, you could put a bullet button on, put a mag magnet over it, and argue that it is merely a "tool attached to the rifle". Or even that the magazine button is a "tool attached to the rifle". Since your magazine would not be detachable without that "tool".

If this seems muddy, that is my point.
Those waters are too muddy to just hand a tool from your trigger guard.
I would rather use a GPIK anyway (attached to your finger tip, 100% legal).