CA DOJ finally says something about SlideFire stocks...

[phrogg111]

Question of the day: Is there constructive possession of a trigger activator?

If it's disassembled, it's just a bunch of phony parts, right?

[rootuser]

While DOJ BoF will not give out opinions to folks querying legal status of guns, devices, and activities, their front woman did say SlideFire stocks were illegal devices:

http://news.yahoo.com/add-ons-let-se...201305718.html

Given articles like the one quoted, and relevant drama, please rest assured these are an easy conviction given broad wording of law.

Do note SlideFire Solutions says, "Slide Fire has not been notified by any individual state that our products conflict with any state laws."

Big dummy, that's not the way things work.

I bring this up not only because they made the news, but because I think there's another round of noobs bringing these things in.

Note that these are separately covered in law (vs. part of AW 'characterictic features') - and possession of the device (just like Hellfire devices) is illegal.

Thanks for posting the story. At least there is some half-stance.

Thanks for the reminder of Hellfire devices, this fits with the same idea as that the law makers are concerned with how many rounds come out of the muzzle and how fast.

[burr2of4]

damn. i wanted one.

[philobeddoe]

damn. i wanted one.

spend the money on a george forman grill

[bwiese]

Question of the day: Is there constructive possession of a trigger activator?

If it's disassembled, it's just a bunch of phony parts, right?

In theory no, but could there be 'intent' on possessing one if those parts have no other use?

Not worth risking in a CA courtroom unless you wanna run it all the way up the appellate channel.

BTW, a multiburst trigger activator bust is a straight felony; simple AW possession is a wobbler.

[bubbapug1]

I don't need to put words in your mouth. Just do a search for 80% lowers and read your bombastic comments on the illegality of building one.

The record is there for everyone to see.

You get away with a lot of crap on this board other members get banned for such as degrading personal attacks. If anyone has a maturity problem it's you.

Sonny,

Adulthood requires some understanding of complexities and nuances etc. And reading is
fundamental.

My worries were pre-1/1/2007, before the advent of AB2728. I said that I felt there was some
judicial risk involved in these due to certain handwaving about Harrott vs growth of lists, etc.

Given the freezing of the lists when AB2728 that was no longer a concern.

I still do have significant concerns about cop (mis)behavior w/traffic stops and unmarked nonfactory
receivers - vs normal production-marked receivers. The idea that you're saving $50 or $120 or whatever
just doesn't resonate with me - work extra hours at Starbux or whatever you need to do to get thru the
day.

Next time you try to put words in my mouth please do it in front of my face.

[Oneaudiopro]

Hmmmmm

In theory no, but could there be 'intent' on possessing one if those parts have no other use?

Not worth risking in a CA courtroom unless you wanna run it all the way up the appellate channel.

BTW, a multiburst trigger activator bust is a straight felony; simple AW possession is a wobbler.

I love the way some posters make legal assumptions based soley on their owm opinions, they try and convince the rest of us that their opinion is the gospel. There are many devices out there that are in a gray area that haven't been challenged in court, including this devive and the mag-magnet, and others. I think its up to the individual user to decide if they want to risk being stopped for having such a device and take the court route. There are people being stopped today for having so called illegal hi-cap mags which are perfectly legal in most cases let alone these "gray" area products. My personal opinion is that the company has a letter from ATF stating the bumpfire stock is legal AND the only thing that ever touches the trigger is the persons finger, I would say you're probably GTG.......................just my .02.

[BigPimping]

I would believe Brian on this. He is well informed in such matters and his track record here proves that.

[tcrpe]

My personal opinion is that the company has a letter from ATF stating the bumpfire stock is legal AND the only thing that ever touches the trigger is the persons finger, I would say you're probably GTG.......................just my .02.

Well, it's a "qualified legal" at best.

How are your hands, working?

[CSACANNONEER]

I love the way some posters make legal assumptions based soley on their owm opinions, they try and convince the rest of us that their opinion is the gospel. There are many devices out there that are in a gray area that haven't been challenged in court, including this devive and the mag-magnet, and others. I think its up to the individual user to decide if they want to risk being stopped for having such a device and take the court route. There are people being stopped today for having so called illegal hi-cap mags which are perfectly legal in most cases let alone these "gray" area products. My personal opinion is that the company has a letter from ATF stating the bumpfire stock is legal AND the only thing that ever touches the trigger is the persons finger, I would say you're probably GTG.......................just my .02.

California law makes these stocks illegal on a state level. So, it doesn't matter that ATF has opined that they are legal federally. I love how some people here just don't have the cranial capacity to understand such a simple concept.

[Oneaudiopro]

Hmmmmm

California law makes these stocks illegal on a state level. So, it doesn't matter that ATF has opined that they are legal federally. I love how some people here just don't have the cranial capacity to understand such a simple concept.

As I stated in my first post, there are several items that are in a "gray" area that haven't been put through the scrutiny of our courts yet. Your claim that this item is illegal is pure speculation on your part.

[myk]

FA is a waste if an owner of a weapon deems it as such. Pretending we didn't have a 10 round 'mag limit, I would love to go out on my birthday or some other special day and just hose some targets out in BLM land with a FA'ish rifle. It isn't for other people to tell me or others what is a "waste" of 'ammo or what they should be doing with that weapon; that's the sort of talk reserved for anti's and grabbers...

[kaligaran]

FA is a waste if an owner of a weapon deems it as such. Pretending we didn't have a 10 round 'mag limit, I would love to go out on my birthday or some other special day and just hose some targets out in BLM land with a FA'ish rifle. It isn't for other people to tell me or others what is a "waste" of 'ammo or what they should be doing with that weapon; that's the sort of talk reserved for anti's and grabbers...

So true.

I shot a friend's slide stock back in FL at an indoor range (yes they indoor indoor ranges that allowed you to bump fire your AR - big chain too - Gander Mountain).

Man it was totally a waste of ammo but OMG was it fun!

[jaymz]

CA DOJ finally says something, and par for the course, they are wrong. Iggy Chin said a lot of stuff as well. Just because an alphabet agency says it's so doesn't make it true. The laws of physics and mechanics cannot be broken. If the slide fire is illegal because it increases the rate of fire, you race gun guys better get rid of your ****, the mods you did increased the rate of fire and are now considered "multi-burst trigger activators".

[jaymz]

Almost forgot, unless you're filthy rich and prepared to maybe lose your 2A rights, don't buy this stock for use in CA.