Land of Lincoln proposal.. SHALL ISSUE! (ILLINOIS)

[Sakiri]

Sorry if this is a dupe, but I didn't see anything.

Summary:

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/01/robert-farago/illinois-concealed-carry-bill-revealed-no-chicago-carve-out/

Bill:

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Illinois-Concealed-Carry-Bill-HB1001.pdf

Wonder if this'll have any effects on California? Or if it'll pass the test.

I personally am a bit leery on the "give them access to medical records" bit, if only because anyone with a mental health record, regardless of what is actually in there, runs the risk of being rejected.

But what do you guys think?

[3RDGEARGRNDRR]

Wow, there is hope after all

[CQBMarine]

It's about time!! Congress, I believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong, sure you will), gave the state until the end of the month to instate some sort of concealed carry option. Hopefully this article is true and they will approve this, I have a few happy friends that'll be more than great full to now legally carry.

[Paladin]

Next key date in Sheperd-Moore is Feb 6th, that's when we find out if CA-7 takes it en banc.

If not, IL may appeal to SCOTUS by March (12th or 14th).

If SCOTUS declines or IL doesn't appeal, IL must have Shall Issue in place by June 10th or IL goes to immediate judicially imposed Con Carry.

[Sakiri]

As I mentioned I'm a bit leery with the part that says you have to let the cops look at your medical records to determine if you're a threat and the fact that signs hold weight kinda annoy me, but I have a nice stack of business cards that list a few things that one has to go through to concealed carry to hand out to managers of places that post signs we could toss them the template for.

Because you know, education + the fact that criminals aren't going to follow the signs anyways = hope. Maybe.

[Paladin]

As I mentioned I'm a bit leery with the part that says you have to let the cops look at your medical records to determine if you're a threat ....

Agreed. Mental health records I can understand. But the fact that you had a face lift, hair plugs, breast implants, hemorrhoids, hysterectomy, and ingrown toenails -- or some combination thereof -- ain't the po-pos business!

[jurrd87]

Well @ $25.00 a permit it doesn't look like the state will be out of debt anytime soon...

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[rootuser]

Not of consiquence in California.

[dfletcher]

Considering IL history on these matters, why is there an expectation this will pass now? I read the "Congress gave them instructions" part and am not sure how this applies.

[Sakiri]

Agreed. Mental health records I can understand. But the fact that you had a face lift, hair plugs, breast implants, hemorrhoids, hysterectomy, and ingrown toenails -- or some combination thereof -- ain't the po-pos business!

I can see mental health records in the form of "<person> has communicated a threat to X Y or Z" or "<person> has been deemed mentally unfit by <court>" but as a person that sees a psychiatrist and has for 2 decades, with a clean criminal record(as in, I don't have one), clean driving record, clean EVERYTHING record, I would be HIGHLY displeased if they decided that my right to keep and bear arms was infringed because I spent time in a hospital after someone tried killing me when I was 12.

It was one of the best things I ever did, too. When someone needs help, they should be able to go get help without it hanging over their head for the rest of their life. It just encourages people to stop telling their doctor anything that'll come back to bite the in the butt later.

[Sakiri]

Considering IL history on these matters, why is there an expectation this will pass now? I read the "Congress gave them instructions" part and am not sure how this applies.

They were given a period of time in which they HAD to draft a concealed carry law. As in, "you MUST do this you want to or not."

The fact that the proposed law is "Shall issue" and not "may issue" is huge. "May issue" means that they can turn it into a selective process, much like they do here in California. If you kiss the right politco's butt, you can get a permit. If not, then you're screwed in much of the state.

If this passes as "Shall issue", it's a HUGE win for the 2A crowd.

[CitaDeL]

Some good, some bad.

I would still be interested in seeing the bill be shot down in favor of the consequences of the 180 day expiration...

[mag360]

eh i hope they hold out for better. stupid "no guns" signs should never have the weight of law behind them.

[dfletcher]

They were given a period of time in which they HAD to draft a concealed carry law. As in, "you MUST do this you want to or not."

The fact that the proposed law is "Shall issue" and not "may issue" is huge. "May issue" means that they can turn it into a selective process, much like they do here in California. If you kiss the right politco's butt, you can get a permit. If not, then you're screwed in much of the state.

If this passes as "Shall issue", it's a HUGE win for the 2A crowd.

I agree regarding shall issue rather than may issue being big. I grew up in MA and although "beknighted" as OK know its problems very well. I usually pay attention to these things but draw a complete blank on how this came about.

I consider the anti-gunners committed obstructionist, their collective skills on par with old line segregationist and having an equal willingness to sabotage. Shall issue is quite a change, I'd wonder how it being first proposed can be used by them against us. Will IL consider and ultimately reject it, all the while feigning compliance but counseling patience and delay?

[dave_cg]

Considering IL history on these matters, why is there an expectation this will pass now? I read the "Congress gave them instructions" part and am not sure how this applies.

First of all, the "congress gave them instructions" is pure fail. State of IL lost an appeal at CA-7. This is court imposed.

Secondly, the history is that last session the IL legislature was 3 votes (or there about, I'm going from memory) short of a veto-proof majority for a concealed carry bill. This time, if the governor vetos, IL goes contitutional carry. Since the governor wouldn't play ball last session, this session he gets the baseball as a suppository.