Sheriff Letter Writing/Phone Call Campaign!

[justcor]

The legal present that the County Sheriff has supreme authority over a county has been to the Supreme Court and won. In 1995 Sheriff Mack (AZ) and Sheriff Printz (MO) sued the Federal government stating the Brady gun bill was unconstitutional.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printz_v._United_States

In a 5-4 ruling, the Supreme Court held that the Brady Act provision was unconstitutional. Justice Antonin Scalia wrote the majority opinion. He stated that early federal statutes did not suggest that Congress thought it had the power to direct the actions of State executive officials. Also, the overall structure of the Constitution implies that Congress may not direct State officials: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_Keepers

Essentially the pledge is this:
We swore an oath to defend the CONSTITUTION against ALL enemies Foreign and Domestic.

This is a 4 part interview with Sheriff Mack that explains this in more detail.

part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiBcC8_goVg

part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsBcTpXqqMw

part 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEJ8cWUhWso

part 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ7D0en8drQ

So the solution is state sovereignty and each county acting in accordance with the principles established in the 10th Amendment. It's you working with your county sheriff and locally elected officials to stand up for the Bill of Rights and to stand against the out of control federal government and its agencies. The bottom line answer is your county sheriff. Ultimately, he your local county sheriff is the one who will decide what is and what is not enforced in your county. He has the authority and is oath bound duty to interpose himself on your behalf to protect you from all enemies, both foreign and domestic. He is the people's protector.

Please see these following sites for more information:

https://www.countysheriffproject.org/

[justcor]

Sheriffs and CPDs are the least relevant. Why would they matter? They don't.

If you want to waste time and burn cycles "doing something" there are better ways to do it.

I could not disagree more. State Sovereignty IS the issue here. Be it 2A issues or Obamacare etc.. The stand being taken by states such as Texas, Missouri, Kentucky, Montana, Wyoming and Idaho are just the first salvo in the war. Local county sheriff's are also very much part of protecting us citizens from unconstitutional laws.

County sheriff's have a long history of protecting citizen's right and taking on the US Forest Service, EPA and even the IRS and kicking them out of there county for trying to enforce unconstitutional laws.

[wildhawker]

All levels of government are bound to respect 2A, period.

Are all these sheriffs offices going to convince the PDs, too?

Why aren't they just passing out carry licenses like candy? Why do they enforce some unconstitutional laws but say they won't for others when there's political points to be scored?

-Brandon

I could not disagree more. State Sovereignty IS the issue here. Be it 2A issues or Obamacare etc.. The stand being taken by states such as Texas, Missouri, Kentucky, Montana, Wyoming and Idaho are just the first salvo in the war. Local county sheriff's are also very much part of protecting us citizens from unconstitutional laws.

County sheriff's have a long history of protecting citizen's right and taking on the US Forest Service, EPA and even the IRS and kicking them out of there county for trying to enforce unconstitutional laws.

[justcor]

All levels of government are bound to respect 2A, period.

Are all these sheriffs offices going to convince the PDs, too?

Why aren't they just passing out carry licenses like candy? Why do they enforce some unconstitutional laws but say they won't for others when there's political points to be scored?

-Brandon

Many believe the balance of power has tilted too far and for too long in the direction of the federal government and that it is time to restore that lost balance of state sovereignty. There is a large movement that is working to reassert state sovereignty and stop the uncontrolled expansion of federal government power. The emergence of this movement is a hopeful sign of the people asserting their rights and the rights of the states and finally crying enough to runaway government. With the threat of increasingly out of control federal spending, and now more recently 2A rights issues. Almost half of the state legislatures are considering or have representatives preparing to introduce resolutions which reassert the principles of the 9th and 10th Amendments to the Constitution and the idea that federal power is strictly limited to specific areas detailed in the Constitution and that all other governmental authority rests with the states.

At the end of all the levels of government you have CLEO's (Chief LEO) for a county. That county sheriff also takes an Oath of Office that he/she will have given there word to uphold, defend, support, and obey the Constitution of the United States of America. It is his/her Supreme Duty and Responsibility to protect and defend this Constitution for the united States of America. Our Constitution is the very Soul of our great Country. Without this Constitution, we become no better than some Banana Republic with a petty tyrant pretending to be “el Presidente”. Keeping this Sacred Oath of Office is what makes our Constitutional Republic unique and effective.

Now why don't CLEO's uphold a law or deny a request they believe is not constitutional? I'd say for a lot of reasons. First when you have a group of federal offcers show up and tell you to do something OR else it can be intimidating. I would say a lot of folks don't have the convictions and are not schooled well enough in constitutional law to understand the powers that they do have. Ultimately the Feds know this and use that fact against many CLEO's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaEKB8pU2Tw

In this 3-part video interview with Tony DeMeo, Sheriff of Nye County, Nevada, he explains that he is a Constitutional Sheriff and that authority for public office holders is derived from the people. He tells the story about how he used the Constitution as his foundation in the saga of Nye County rancher Wayne Hage's disputes over encroachments by the federal government. While Wayne Hage's case centered around property rights in federally managed lands, Sheriff Tony DeMeo's example is relevant for everyone to understand the power of local government, the importance of following the Constitution and upholding the Tenth Amendment (states' rights and sovereignty).

Now in no way am I saying that you only need to focus on your local sheriff or governor. That could not be farther from the truth. You need to to make your arguments at the Federal, state and local county level. My point is that many forget or don't understand the role that someone as seemly as small as your local sheriff can have in the equation.

Right now I am aware of about 40 sheriff's that have written letters to VIP Biden that in no uncertain words are on record for apposing ANY further 2A laws. These guys are on our side and they have the power that exceeds the president when it comes to enforcing laws they feel are unconstitutional.

[wildhawker]

Besides being a legally untenable argument, you've now lost the vast majority of Americans and all of the middle that you need to keep politically.

Look, I appreciate the sheriffs' support of 2A but it's clearly a political move with no real effect. They're safe (net plus) moves in safe counties. If they want to really 'take a stand' they should use the power of their offices to stop enforcing unconstitutional laws already on the books and make getting a carry license at least as easy as an alarm permit.

-Brandon

[justcor]

Besides being a legally untenable argument, you've now lost the vast majority of Americans and all of the middle that you need to keep politically.

Look, I appreciate the sheriffs' support of 2A but it's clearly a political move with no real effect. They're safe (net plus) moves in safe counties. If they want to really 'take a stand' they should use the power of their offices to stop enforcing unconstitutional laws already on the books and make getting a carry license at least as easy as an alarm permit.

-Brandon

The argument is not mine. I'm just pointing out the lengths other patriot sheriff's are taking on the behalf of the people they are sworn to protect. Taking lawsuits all the way to the Supreme Court to allow citizens the right to ignore the Brady bill is what I call a patriot. Also please a moment and educate yourself on the case law I referenced. It shows that in fact county and state sovereignty does matter.

As to your reference about a carry license as easy to get as an alarm permit? Where is it in the constitution that ones needs a permit to carry a gun? Apparently you forgot that Wyoming, Alaska, Arizona and Vermont all allow citizens to carry concealed handguns without undergoing background checks or firearms training. Are those states violating the constitution? I think not.

[wildhawker]

I'm aware of the caselaw. Tell me about "state sovereignty" after you overturn NFA 34 and GCA 68.

You're not even making sense, so I suppose debating further is pointless. Good luck.

-Brandon

[Wiz-of-Awd]

Wow guys!

How about this...

For the sake of this thread (Sheriff Letter Writing/Phone Call Campaign!), how about if we all agree that this thread - Local Business or City/County Official Letter Writing/Phone Call Campaign! - would be congratulated and applauded by all who read it, and that simply doing the same with the Sheriff is not a bad thing, and can possibly help.

As well, the experience offered to us by those who are better prepared to answer most of our questions, is appreciated and respected.


That is all, and now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

A.W.D.

[justcor]

I'm aware of the caselaw. Tell me about "state sovereignty" after you overturn NFA 34 and GCA 68.

Printz v. US is the way. Also look at the Montana Firearms Freedom Act that is ALL about state sovereignty as well. This is the fight for states rights.

NFA34 is a house of cards that just needs someone to bring the right case. Much of the Federal power is derived from Article 1 Section 8 Clause 3 ATF for instance gets all its power from this clause.

I see no need to argue we are on the same side albeit with different views as to what is important. I will end and restate my point that in fact your local sheriff does play an important part in enforcing or selectively not enforcing unconstitutional laws in his/her jurisdiction.

[Yankee Clipper]

It is important to write your local Sheriff! It's also important to write your local state and federal representative and the more people that do it the better. It's not just about legal issues as it is about a ground swell of support for the 2nd amendment and letting all these elected people know that we, that obey the law, are penalized by feel-good-laws. And in the end the proposed restrictions will make the Sheriff and Police Chiefs job more difficult because we can't defend ourselves. We don’t want to become like the citizens of Great Britain and Australia where, after they banned civilian firearm ownership, the home invasion rate increased and while ours went down. So yes, show the Sheriff’s support because we want them to support us.

[NoJoke]

Sheriffs and CPDs are the least relevant. Why would they matter? They don't.

If you want to waste time and burn cycles "doing something" there are better ways to do it.

Agreed.
I've been through the "spin cycle" in SD.
I've been involved with a somewhat adversarial e-mail exchange with people of importance w/in the sheriffs office - just to be put through the spin cycle again which ended with the threat that if I continued further communication I would be referred to their legal council.

Yes, I did comment regarding my concern of the constitutionality of what was going on.

Bottom line - it was a waste of time. Only someone that they respect will change their minds for them. They need to be shown the light.

[DrDavid]

Agreed.
I've been through the "spin cycle" in SD.
I've been involved with a somewhat adversarial e-mail exchange with people of importance w/in the sheriffs office - just to be put through the spin cycle again which ended with the threat that if I continued further communication I would be referred to their legal council.

Yes, I did comment regarding my concern of the constitutionality of what was going on.

Bottom line - it was a waste of time. Only someone that they respect will change their minds for them. They need to be shown the light.

Wow.. Douchey.. When I contacted Sheriff Sniff, he responded to me, and actually engaged me in conversation on Facebook. Frankly, I felt bad taking so much of his time! But, he is an elected official, so he *should* interact with the people he represents.

As for the Sheriff in SD threatening you for contacting him; as an elected rep, he should be ashamed of himself!

[justcor]

The list is now up to 90 sheriff's saying they will not support Federal gun laws

http://reason.com/blog/2013/01/23/90-sheriffs-and-two-sheriffs-association

The Utah sheriff's association has also issued a stern warning

http://washingtonexaminer.com/utah-sheriffs-warn-obama-of-deadly-war-over-guns/article/2519176

In a direct warning to Obama, the FBI and other agencies, the sheriffs wrote: "Make no mistake, as the duly-elected sheriffs our our respective counties, we will enforce the rights guaranteed to our citizens by the Constitution. No federal official will be permitted to descend upon our constituents and take from them what the Bill of Rights--in particular Amendment II--has given them.

This just furthers my point that while I don't expect the Sheriff's in largely democratic areas to follow the Constitution plenty of other sheriff's across the country are standing up for what they believe in. Trying to marginalize the effort to contact and engage your local sheriff is short sided.

Please support your local sheriff if he has shown he supports your Constitutional rights.

[bruss01]

Sheriffs and CPDs are the least relevant. Why would they matter? They don't.

If you want to waste time and burn cycles "doing something" there are better ways to do it.

This is dead wrong.

Yes, we should all write our congressmen et al, and donate to the NRA, etc.

Then what?

Turning out for a rally is good.

The letters from Sheriffs seems to me to provide a lot of evidence that America will not go down without a fight. Just the same as millions of Americans saying "from my cold dead hands". Let them know that the people, and our highest elected law enforcement representative possess a SPIRIT OF RESISTANCE and some shred of LOYALTY TO THE CONSTITUTION.

You tell me something worth doing, that I have not already done ad nauseum, and I'll do it no matter how slim the chance it might have a beneficial effect. I think writing the Sheriffs to let them know how we feel is a GREAT idea. We need to know they are behind us and they need to know we are behind them. And if your Sheriff is NOT behind us... wouldn't you rather know who the statists are now? Before push comes to shove?

[wildhawker]

It's token support when they could substantively support the exercise of rights, but overwhelmingly do not.

It's funny how people get excited about the occasional political slap on the *** in spite of the fact that they stopped saying "I love you" over a hundred years ago.

-Brandon

This is dead wrong.

Yes, we should all write our congressmen et al, and donate to the NRA, etc.

Then what?

Turning out for a rally is good.

The letters from Sheriffs seems to me to provide a lot of evidence that America will not go down without a fight. Just the same as millions of Americans saying "from my cold dead hands". Let them know that the people, and our highest elected law enforcement representative possess a SPIRIT OF RESISTANCE and some shred of LOYALTY TO THE CONSTITUTION.

You tell me something worth doing, that I have not already done ad nauseum, and I'll do it no matter how slim the chance it might have a beneficial effect. I think writing the Sheriffs to let them know how we feel is a GREAT idea. We need to know they are behind us and they need to know we are behind them. And if your Sheriff is NOT behind us... wouldn't you rather know who the statists are now? Before push comes to shove?