Apartments, Firearms and the Law?

[Prowler]

Yes they have the right to include it in the lease but it would be uninforceable.

Why would that lease be unenforceable? That would be in direct violation of the lease. If the Tenant accepts the terms of the lease, then the Tenant must abide by the terms of the lease. If the Tenant does not want to agree to those specific terms, then the prospective Tenant will not get the lease, unless the Landlord modifies the lease and allows it.

[cartman]

Why would that lease be unenforceable? That would be in direct violation of the lease. If the Tenant accepts the terms of the lease, then the Tenant must abide by the terms of the lease. If the Tenant does not want to agree to those specific terms, then the prospective Tenant will not get the lease, unless the Landlord modifies the lease and allows it.

Its uneneforceable because they wouldn't have the right to check in your apt without 24hrs notice. even then they can't go snopping around. This is providing that your not being stupid, cleaning them in front of an open window in full view.

[nicki]

My daughter goes to UC Davis

She lives off campus and there is a "no guns clause in her lease". She is planning on moving and another apt complex has the same thing.

Neither are owned by the school, but both complexes have alot of students.

It isn't a big issue to my daughter, but it is to me.

All across the country everyone is watching for government bans on our rights, but we need to consider private ones also.

The parking lot issue for employees significantly impairs ccw permits.

Many people work in areas where there is employee parking and no parking on the public streets that is reasonably close by. I see this alot in Silicon valley.

At this point it may be in our best interest to see how widespread the problem is, if it is a few isolated areas, it may be best to keep quite until we can grow stronger.

I'm sorry to say that we have to be playing defense because it is a losing strategy.

We need to get stronger so we can go on offense.

Nicki

[Prowler]

It there is no clause in the lease, then she can. My point was to someone that said it was unenforceable. If you had a clause restricting them, and then you violated that clause, then your tenancy could be terminated. Simple as that.

[zcktomcat]

I've never had any problems keeping firearms in my apartment. If you are worried about shady apartment managers stealing them when you aren't around, just put a keyed door knob on the door to your bed room and keep the firearms hidden. Or just buy a gun cabinet to keep them in, that's what I do.

[battleship]

Its not there buisness, dont even mention it to them. i would never even consider to ask the landlord about what is private to me.

[gosparx]

Since there is nothing in the lease about it, then that's good enough for me an my son.

Our next concern is that he has roommates. They are all good guys, but friends of friends etc... can be a problem, but that problem can be mitigated with having the weapons properly locked up and out of sight.

As far as people not knowing or not telling people. It's the kind of thing that gets around pretty quick, not because people are running around screaming "so and so has a gun" but because you go shooting with people and introduce new people to the sport and the word spreads.

For me personally, the knowledge that I had guns and shot increased the my circle of friends. At my last job I lost count of how many people came up to me saying that they heard I shot and if I could take them some time.

My son moves into his place later this summer. He already has locking hard cases as well as nondescript soft cases; but between now and then one of our jobs will be looking for the right kind/size of gun safe for him.

[FortCourageArmory]

gosparx,

It sounds like you have the situation well in hand.

[Rob P.]

Don't ask, don't tell.

Seriously, even if there's a clause in the lease, if you're discreet about it, usually there isn't a problem. And if you get caught, so what? Either move or move the firearms to a secure storage place.

Discretion also includes how you dress, talk, walk, etc. Rough and rowdy dudes who wear jackboots & camo and have butch haircuts tend to be viewed with more suspicion than ray bans and flip flops.

The word of the day is "chameleon." Be one and survive.

[1911_sfca]

Since there is nothing in the lease about it, then that's good enough for me an my son.

Our next concern is that he has roommates. They are all good guys, but friends of friends etc... can be a problem, but that problem can be mitigated with having the weapons properly locked up and out of sight.

As far as people not knowing or not telling people. It's the kind of thing that gets around pretty quick, not because people are running around screaming "so and so has a gun" but because you go shooting with people and introduce new people to the sport and the word spreads.

For me personally, the knowledge that I had guns and shot increased the my circle of friends. At my last job I lost count of how many people came up to me saying that they heard I shot and if I could take them some time.

My son moves into his place later this summer. He already has locking hard cases as well as nondescript soft cases; but between now and then one of our jobs will be looking for the right kind/size of gun safe for him.

Consider purchasing a gun safe for your son, and helping him bolt it to the floor of his new closet.

[DedEye]

I checked my lease thoroughly to make sure there was no mention of prohibiting guns here before signing it (there wasn't), so I avoided having to ask the landlord about it. Not having roommates alleviates the concern that a roommate and their friends causes, and a safe is just a good idea in general.

[saki302]

Yep- don't ask, don't tell.
The trigger locks clause sounds like a good idea to CYA- it's unenforceable, but would shrug off a lawsuit (well the contract says guns must be secured!).

I wonder if an apt. owner can add a clause in the lease that anyone who comes to collect rent or on behalf of the owner to perform 'security services' can carry a concealed weapon?
All renters would have to sign, thus you have the permission of ALL tenants to carry

-Dave