liberals that do not know they are liberals

[PatrickRyan]

I listen to NPR, Fox News Radio, I watch CNN, msnbc, Fox, I read NY Times, Wall Street Journal, and I vote however I want to vote. You don't have to adhere to a certain brand of media because you agree with the things they say. I like hearing all sorts of different opinions and then formulate my own views independent of whatever "leaning" or "allegiance" the source may or may not have. And besides, NPR has jazz hour.

[KON5T]

double post

[KON5T]

I consider myself a very Conservative Democrat and I dislike many things that both parities stand for. But, I also disagree with republicans on a lot more issues too. For the record, I think Feinstein & Boxer need to go. Now, this gun banning issue does need to transcend both parties to become a bipartisan issue. Over the past 10 months I have had three families become gun enthusiasts. It was simple, I took them out shooting, they liked it, and they become gun owners. Two of them were Democrats, and one was Republican. Instead of belligerently spewing, "over my dead body" rhetoric, we should make all first gun purchases pass through a background check and demand that we not have to go through that for future purchases. As for the mental health issue and gun ownership, how the heck could that be accomplished? The 10 round magazine cap seems like a slam dunk right now. It won't affect us in California because it is already the law. To be honest, I don't care about that. What I do care about is banning weapons that the gun control advocates consider assault weapons. Here we need to EDUCATE! I am not sure how, I'm working on it. Anyway, if it came down to it, I would advocate the following:

1. Register all new handgun purchases (already CA law)
2. Register all new rifle purchases (already CA law)
3. 10 round magazine cap (already CA law)
4. Huge penalty for kids or mentally unstable members of your family using your weapons in a crime unless they breach a safe, gun cabinet, etc.. (already CA law?)
5. Mentally unstable not allowed to own guns (rifle or handgun). My problem with this is that I currently do not know of any way to handle this. Would we start a national database? Then, which conditions would be included? Finally, some people can live their whole life and never be diagnosed with anything when they should have.
6. Allow CCW in all states with some training.
7. Continue to allow online ammo sales.
8. Must be a U.S. citizen to own a gun.
9. Domestic violence offenders not allowed to own a gun.
10. Metal detectors at all schools.

Why 8? are foreigners children of a lesser god and not subject to american law?

[strlen]

Yep, this is completely against the constitution: other than when it comes to voting (at federal level, some localities allow non-citizens to vote), non-citizens enjoy the same rights as everyone else.

That includes the right bear arms, both individually and as a part of the armed forces. Furthermore, they can must register for Selective Service and can be conscripted into the armed forces. I was a non-citizen when I registered for SS at 18, at around the same time as 9/11 -- so serving was actually a possibility.

I think it's only fair that if someone can be given an M16 and be told to fight overseas, than they should have every right to get an AR15 to punch holes in paper (presuming they're in the country legally and are otherwise not prohibited).

Why 8? are foreigners children of a lesser god and not subject to american law?

[Delfuego]

Yep, this is completely against the constitution: other than when it comes to voting (at federal level, some localities allow non-citizens to vote), non-citizens enjoy the same rights as everyone else.

That includes the right bear arms, both individually and as a part of the armed forces. Furthermore, they can must register for Selective Service and can be conscripted into the armed forces. I was a non-citizen when I registered for SS at 18, at around the same time as 9/11 -- so serving was actually a possibility.

I think it's only fair that if someone can be given an M16 and be told to fight overseas, than they should have every right to get an AR15 to punch holes in paper (presuming they're in the country legally and are otherwise not prohibited).

It would give legal residents a reason to become citizens.

[The Shadow]

I do not need to go to liberal news sources to hear what liberals think. Fox News provides a sufficient supply of liberals to keep me up to speed.



Bob Beckel



Alan Colmes



Al Sharpton

[MUKAK]

thats why i dont watch FOX or MSNBC

2 retarted channels... erased from my DISH MENU.. polluting ppls brains with nonsense

[SanPedroShooter]

I consider myself a very Conservative Democrat and I dislike many things that both parities stand for. But, I also disagree with republicans on a lot more issues too. For the record, I think Feinstein & Boxer need to go. Now, this gun banning issue does need to transcend both parties to become a bipartisan issue. Over the past 10 months I have had three families become gun enthusiasts. It was simple, I took them out shooting, they liked it, and they become gun owners. Two of them were Democrats, and one was Republican. Instead of belligerently spewing, "over my dead body" rhetoric, we should make all first gun purchases pass through a background check and demand that we not have to go through that for future purchases. As for the mental health issue and gun ownership, how the heck could that be accomplished? The 10 round magazine cap seems like a slam dunk right now. It won't affect us in California because it is already the law. To be honest, I don't care about that. What I do care about is banning weapons that the gun control advocates consider assault weapons. Here we need to EDUCATE! I am not sure how, I'm working on it. Anyway, if it came down to it, I would advocate the following:

1. Register all new handgun purchases (already CA law)
2. Register all new rifle purchases (already CA law)
3. 10 round magazine cap (already CA law)
4. Huge penalty for kids or mentally unstable members of your family using your weapons in a crime unless they breach a safe, gun cabinet, etc.. (already CA law?)
5. Mentally unstable not allowed to own guns (rifle or handgun). My problem with this is that I currently do not know of any way to handle this. Would we start a national database? Then, which conditions would be included? Finally, some people can live their whole life and never be diagnosed with anything when they should have.
6. Allow CCW in all states with some training.
7. Continue to allow online ammo sales.
8. Must be a U.S. citizen to own a gun.
9. Domestic violence offenders not allowed to own a gun.
10. Metal detectors at all schools.

Why would inflict our stupid and arbitrary rules on the rest of the country?

Are you sure meant to use word 'advocate'?

When the police start using ten round magazines, so will I. And registration ALWAYS leads to eventual confiscation. Its the route evil of all gun control. You must register and track any item to be able to regulate it. In this case, regulate out of existence. Registration should be opposed at all costs, up to and including civil disobedience. I will point out that only around 10% of california gun owners registered their 'assault weapons'. Good for them.

There is huge mass of the gun owning population in free and less free states that might object to a 'conservative democrat' advocating for dragging them down to our level. And a standard magazine ban is no 'slam dunk'. Not even close. You can thank the Republican House for that.


And I listen to NPR all day. No commercials.

[2009_gunner]

I listen to NPR because "conservative" talk show hosts insist on raising their voice to make their points. At least NPR hosts don't yell. However, I do disagree with the liberal bias of NPR; It hardly brainwashes me.

[1859sharps]

Enlighten me which civil rights and 40 hour work week? better look that one up.

the first amendment for starters. I don't see many conservatives going the distance and taking a stand for the 1st that many liberals have and will. MOST conservatives I encounter, they are ready to tear up the 1st because of things they see as maybe objectionable. they have the same attitude towards the 1st, that the left has to the 2nd. I can't see why someone would want to watch/read/say X, so lets ban it.

and it wasn't for unions (by definition a mostly liberal concept) we probably would not have some of the really nice worker protections we have today.

I long ago stopped seeing one side or the other as all good, or all evil. Life experience has taught me, both are to be watched closely. Both have brought good, and both have brought bad and both are not just capable of , but actively try and trample my civil and human rights.

[Gem1950]

I don't listen to NPR.

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