liberals that do not know they are liberals

[GPJunkie]

Well I consider myself a liberal, but when the Obama campaign would ask for my opinions on issues I would always put honoring the 2nd Amendment at the top of the list, as well as getting "wiretaps" back under control of the Judiciary and respecting Habeas Corpus. Maybe my opinions are in a minority among my fellow Calgun'ers, but on the other hand perhaps there's a small chance that Dems are more likely to listen to voices inside their camp that value the Bill of Rights than voices they perceive automatically as "enemy". I contribute monthly to CGF too, so that can't be all bad, can it? ;^)

[prkprisoner]

We've all been fooled into the two party system. There is a wide spectrum of political beliefs that have been dumbed down into two choices R or D. There is not much difference between the two main parties. They both want your money and they both want bigger govt.

[donny douchebag]

How about gun nuts that don't know they're gun nuts? Do you think they contribute to the problem?

[Southwest Chuck]

the day after the election i tuned out. no more talk radio or news [ Hollywood], just being on these gun sites i get what i need for info.if i think to much about the path this country is taking i will just get to depressed. it does not have to happen but it is going to happen. i am 65 so the younger ones will live threw the disaster coming.

I feel your pain and I'm just a young 58 year old wipper-snapper!

i am 65 so the younger ones will live threw through the disaster coming.

I have two sons in college that are very aware of what they're facing in the future and are pissed!

[Gem1950]

I'm gonna chime in with something here: someone's beliefs about the second amendment do not necessarily reflect their broader political views.

For example, it is possible for someone to believe in gay marriage and public healthcare while at the same time believing in the second amendment. As gun owners we can all agree that the democratic process is the rule of the land; however we also agree that the 2nd amendment ultimately safeguards that process from being usurped.

When guns are banned/confiscated it is a direct attack on freedom regardless of ones opinion on a specific issue. I do NOT trust a government that monopolizes the legal possession of weapons.

^ ^ ^ Excellent!

[NOTABIKER]

you can lead a liberal to logic but you can't make them think.

[NOTABIKER]

So you only get your info from here... And NPR listeners have a problem... LMFAO btw I don't listen to NPR

on the internet, not mainstream media.

[NOTABIKER]

How about gun nuts that don't know they're gun nuts? Do you think they contribute to the problem?

not at all

[soopafly]

How about gun nuts that don't know they're gun nuts? Do you think they contribute to the problem?

The answer to that question is completely dependent on one's own definition of what a "gun nut" is, exactly.

[56Chevy]

the day after the election i tuned out. no more talk radio or news [ Hollywood], just being on these gun sites i get what i need for info.if i think to much about the path this country is taking i will just get to depressed. it does not have to happen but it is going to happen. i am 65 so the younger ones will live threw the disaster coming.

If there was a Calguns radio station I'd listen to it, as it's hard to browse the forum while I'm driving.

[1859sharps]

whole lot more people do NOT fit neatly into purely "liberal" or "conservative" than do.

purely conservative is just as bad as purely liberal. both seem to have this need to restrict the liberty of others. all the while viewing them self as the "white knight" out to save us all. and both struggle with opposing views and different ideas.

Objectively speaking...

Liberalism has brought some good thing to the table. we all like our 40 hour work week and weekends for example. and they champion some civil rights, but not others.

Conservatives (real ones) bring us small government, strong defense, an fiscal responsibility. and they champion some civil rights, but not others.

But both given too much power WILL trample civil rights that they disagree with and not lose any sleep over the damage done and lives destroyed.

our hope really isn't with one camp or the other, but organizing and getting the great "horde" in the middle active again.

[jdouglass]

whole lot more people do NOT fit neatly into purely "liberal" or "conservative" than do.

purely conservative is just as bad as purely liberal. both seem to have this need to restrict the liberty of others. all the while viewing them self as the "white knight" out to save us all. and both struggle with opposing views and different ideas.

^^^THIS

I consider myself a liberal who loves guns. Maybe that makes me a moderate, I don't know. I usually vote Democrat unless they have proven themselves to be a complete idiot (Fienstein), in which case I don't vote at all since even though I might agree with Republicans more on guns I can't in good conscience vote for them when I disagree with them on so many other issues.

I think the best thing we can do is try to make gun rights a bipartisan cause, they certainly should be. People on both sides of the issue should have calm intelligent INFORMATIVE discussions. Befriend a willfully ignorant liberal and invite him to the range to show him what those "scary black guns" are really all about. Up until a few years ago I had never shot a gun and thought there should be a lot more gun control. All it took for me to do a complete 180 was to just spend a little more time around gun enthusiasts, take a handgun class, and ultimately, start owning my own guns. Now I love them and are no longer scary to me. Minds can be changed. We just need to approach people the right way without holding their other political beliefs against them.

[guntntteacher]

Liberalism has brought some good thing to the table. we all like our 40 hour work week and weekends for example. and they champion some civil rights, but not others.

Enlighten me which civil rights and 40 hour work week? better look that one up.

[KON5T]

Liberals are not what they were when I was young. I used to be proud to be a liberal, now i would rather cut my balls off than admit to it.

Liberals used to be people who believed in liberty and the ability of a person to decide their own fate and faith.

Modern "liberals" believe you have to think their way or you are the enemy, which stops them being liberals and places them in with the neocons and the ultra right.

**** liberals, I am a libertarian, and proud.

[Delfuego]

^^^THIS

I consider myself a liberal who loves guns. Maybe that makes me a moderate, I don't know. I usually vote Democrat unless they have proven themselves to be a complete idiot (Fienstein), in which case I don't vote at all since even though I might agree with Republicans more on guns I can't in good conscience vote for them when I disagree with them on so many other issues.

I think the best thing we can do is try to make gun rights a bipartisan cause, they certainly should be. People on both sides of the issue should have calm intelligent INFORMATIVE discussions. Befriend a willfully ignorant liberal and invite him to the range to show him what those "scary black guns" are really all about. Up until a few years ago I had never shot a gun and thought there should be a lot more gun control. All it took for me to do a complete 180 was to just spend a little more time around gun enthusiasts, take a handgun class, and ultimately, start owning my own guns. Now I love them and are no longer scary to me. Minds can be changed. We just need to approach people the right way without holding their other political beliefs against them.

I consider myself a very Conservative Democrat and I dislike many things that both parities stand for. But, I also disagree with republicans on a lot more issues too. For the record, I think Feinstein & Boxer need to go. Now, this gun banning issue does need to transcend both parties to become a bipartisan issue. Over the past 10 months I have had three families become gun enthusiasts. It was simple, I took them out shooting, they liked it, and they become gun owners. Two of them were Democrats, and one was Republican. Instead of belligerently spewing, "over my dead body" rhetoric, we should make all first gun purchases pass through a background check and demand that we not have to go through that for future purchases. As for the mental health issue and gun ownership, how the heck could that be accomplished? The 10 round magazine cap seems like a slam dunk right now. It won't affect us in California because it is already the law. To be honest, I don't care about that. What I do care about is banning weapons that the gun control advocates consider assault weapons. Here we need to EDUCATE! I am not sure how, I'm working on it. Anyway, if it came down to it, I would advocate the following:

1. Register all new handgun purchases (already CA law)
2. Register all new rifle purchases (already CA law)
3. 10 round magazine cap (already CA law)
4. Huge penalty for kids or mentally unstable members of your family using your weapons in a crime unless they breach a safe, gun cabinet, etc.. (already CA law?)
5. Mentally unstable not allowed to own guns (rifle or handgun). My problem with this is that I currently do not know of any way to handle this. Would we start a national database? Then, which conditions would be included? Finally, some people can live their whole life and never be diagnosed with anything when they should have.
6. Allow CCW in all states with some training.
7. Continue to allow online ammo sales.
8. Must be a U.S. citizen to own a gun.
9. Domestic violence offenders not allowed to own a gun.
10. Metal detectors at all schools.