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  • #91
    Wrangler John
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 1799

    Originally posted by robcoe
    I had a similar idea, but different in a few key ways

    In mine

    Require firearms training for everybody, not just gun owners, not just people looking to own guns, everyone, only exemption is for people who for health reasons physically cannot complete the course. Make it similar to jury duty, because the right to a trial of your peers is guaranteed in the constitution everybody is required to serve on a jury when called, whether they ever have been on trial or ever expect to be on trial or not. A similar requirement to make the 2nd amendment work could be justified.

    When the training starts they run an instant background check, during the training everybody is required to meet the same standards, if a practical portion is included a gun and ammo will be provided, if you don't pass you keep coming back until you pass(again, similar to jury duty, you keep coming back until you're done). At the conclusion of training you receive a national firearms card which certifies you can purchase and possess a gun, and also serves as a national voter ID card. From then until your next session you can buy firearms with no waiting period and nothing else required except showing the seller your card.

    The reason I suggest making it a universal requirement instead of what most people suggest which is making it targeted at just gun owners and people looking to become gun owners is simple, if the targeted kind of training went through you would have a situation like DC, where while it is POSSIBLE to get a gun, the fees and requirements are so difficult and convoluted that it is for all practical purposes a ban. Basically people like Frankenfeinstein would make the requirements so tough for training that special forces soldiers wouldn't be able to pass. Also, this way they wouldn't have a list that would let them say "these people own guns, search their houses".

    I am sure there are problems with this idea, but I see it as better than targeted training, ID cards and tests for JUST gun owners, and bans.

    As an auxiliary benefit, a lot of people who would have been anti-gun simply because they had never had experience with them and have been told they are bad would have first hand experience, which I have found converts about 30-40% of them.
    You don't have to be trained or have an ID card to vote. In some localities it seems that you don't have to live there, or even be alive, or maybe even existed at all.

    You don't need training and an ID card to write an editorial or a book, or have a license to own a computer and word processor, or practice your religion, or speak out in public. So why a license to exercise a fundamental right under the Constitution?

    Do not try to placate the left with platitudes and reasonable sounding ideas. They are not amenable to logic or reason, they are after your rights that prevent them from dictating your life to you. The answer must always be no, and then listen as they rephrase the question in every way imaginable to attempt to weaken your logic and reasonableness. Still the answer must be no, no argument, no justification, no is the answer. We as a nation have arrived at the crossroad, the government is corrupt, the leadership traitorous to the founding principles, and determined to destroy the basis of liberty and economic prosperity of Americans. The answer must always be no.

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    • #92
      Joewy
      Veteran Member
      • Jul 2010
      • 2550

      Yep, NO pure and simple.
      Originally posted by Turbinator
      Hold on bud, Calguns is a privately owned forum, on which we are all guests of the owner. We have no freedom of speech here, period.

      Turby
      Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.

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