National Gun ID

[Foulball]

A friend and I have discussed the gun control issue ad nauseum. He had proposed a national gun license/ID thing. He is as strong a Second Amendment supporter as any I know. Does his idea have any merit?

Why not establish a national gun owner registry that permits people to receive an identification card to be used to buy and sell guns. Anyone can apply, free of charge, for a gun owner I.D., and the FBI could perform background checks on each applicant. Once cleared, the individual may take their I.D. to any gun shop and purchase a firearm with no waiting period. The only responsibility the dealer would have is to verify the I.D.

Set a standard of what may preclude an individual from owning a gun and provide an appeal process for those denied. Individuals convicted of a felony or hospitalized for mental health reasons may have their I.D. revoked via due process.

This is a simple process that would reduce the illegal sales of firearms, free dealers of the background requirements and waiting periods and free legitimate gun owners of the hassles of buying a firearm.

Not only no, but HELL NO!!!

[robcoe]

You keep saying this, but it is erroneous about what you vaguely call my "fantasy".

However just to go down that road - you are wishing to impose further limitations on firearm rights in fundamental ways. So this is your proposition to lay more regulation over the existing regulation to which you seem to pander to acknowledge is infringement, but then wash over with more infringement?

I do not "vaguely" say your call for no restrictions on firearms ownership a fantasy, I say it very clearly, you're argument that no restrictions are acceptable will never happen, don't believe me, go back and re-read Heller and McDonald.

Try reading what I wrote again, what I proposed overwrites the current regulations. No more 10 day wait, no more registration, no more roster, no more 6 month waits for permits in places like New York City. How is this MORE restrictive than what we currently have?

[odysseus]

I do not "vaguely" say your call for no restrictions on firearms ownership a fantasy, I say it very clearly, you're argument that no restrictions are acceptable will never happen.

Where did I say "no restrictions"? You mean I say to let violent felons and mentally insane have guns? Where did I argue that?

[pitbull30]

[MustangSteveGT]

I remember when I was stationed in Illinois and my wife wanted to buy a gun, she had to apply for a FOID card in order to buy firearms and ammunition in Illinois. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOID_(firearms)

Grounds for disqualification include a conviction for a felony or for an act of domestic violence, a conviction for assault or battery within the last five years, or being the subject of an order of protection. The police also check an Illinois Department of Human Services database, to disqualify any applicant who has been adjudicated as a mental defective, or who has been a patient of a mental institution within the last five years.[3] Mental health professionals are required to inform state authorities about patients who display violent, suicidal or threatening behavior, for inclusion in the Human Services database.[4] The police may also check other sources of information. There are additional requirements for applicants under the age of 21.[5]

[robcoe]

Where did I say "no restrictions"? You mean I say to let violent felons and mentally insane have guns? Where did I argue that?

Very well, I misinterpreted what you meant by this

There is no doubt that even those provisions mentioned are not without debate as well for sure

In regards to felons and the mentally ill.

my apologies for that

However

I will still say that you are delusional if you think we will ever live in a country without some restrictions on firearms for the general public. I would prefer to increment in the right direction, getting rid of the asinine laws like the waiting period, 10 round limits and AWB and setting one national set of laws so that crossing state lines doesn't suddenly turn you from a law abiding person into a felon, instead of digging in my heels and saying all or nothing.

I think that is a lot more free than what we have now, and a lot closer to reality than simply repealing every firearms regulation with the exception of prohibitions on mentally ill people and felons.

[odysseus]

my apologies for that

Accepted.

I will still say that you are delusional if you think we will ever live in a country without some restrictions on firearms. I would prefer to increment in the right direction, getting rid of the asinine laws like the waiting period, 10 round limits and AWB and setting one national set of laws so that crossing state lines doesn't suddenly turn you from a law abiding person into a felon.

...and then there you go again, even worse now using the word "delusional". So I think you are not forthright in your conversation with me.

I did not say there could or would not be some restrictions on firearms. Again you are vague. And again you are wrong about me.

However it is fantastical that you think your proposition of a national registry and federal testing is a good idea, or that this would overwrite and erase existing regulations on the books. Also it would do nothing against criminals.

So what's the point again?

[SilverTauron]

Lets skip to the end result, OP. Lets not waste money and time beating around the bush. How about we just blanket ban all firearms , including police officers, and mandate that only the State Governor can authorize ownership of guns at their personal discretion.

That ought to teach them uppity Latin Kings and neer do wells a lesson.

[TransplantTexan]

A friend and I have discussed the gun control issue ad nauseum. He had proposed a national gun license/ID thing. He is as strong a Second Amendment supporter as any I know. Does his idea have any merit?

Why not establish a national gun owner registry that permits people to receive an identification card to be used to buy and sell guns. Anyone can apply, free of charge, for a gun owner I.D., and the FBI could perform background checks on each applicant. Once cleared, the individual may take their I.D. to any gun shop and purchase a firearm with no waiting period. The only responsibility the dealer would have is to verify the I.D.

Set a standard of what may preclude an individual from owning a gun and provide an appeal process for those denied. Individuals convicted of a felony or hospitalized for mental health reasons may have their I.D. revoked via due process.

This is a simple process that would reduce the illegal sales of firearms, free dealers of the background requirements and waiting periods and free legitimate gun owners of the hassles of buying a firearm.

Maybe we should look at this in reverese - not who should be able to own a firearm but who shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm. Then if your name is not on the list you are eligible to own a firearm.

Oh wait that would be the current background check!

Now just figure out how to make it accessible to potential sellers.

[wazdat]

Is this ID nationally recognized as my concealed carry permit?

If not, no deal.

[robcoe]

Accepted.



...and then there you go again, even worse now using the word "delusional". So I think you are not forthright in your conversation with me.

I did not say there could or would not be some restrictions on firearms. Again you are vague. And again you are wrong about me.

However it is fantastical that you think your proposition of a national registry and federal testing is a good idea, or that this would overwrite and erase existing regulations on the books. Also it would do nothing against criminals.

So what's the point again?

Forthright

Definition: Direct and without evasion; straightforward

I don't think I have been evasive at any point, if anything I have been blunt.

Then let's get right to the heart of the matter then, you say you are not arguing for no restrictions except prohibitions on the mentally ill and felons, then list what restrictions you are willing to have.

you keep saying everyone else's ideas on how to improve our situation are terrible, put your own out there.

[ElDub1950]

My birth certificate ( or for others, citizenship papers ) and a clean record should be the only identification I need.

Use a national registry to identify those justifiably banned from owning a firearm.

[fortdick]

My birth certificate ( or for others, citizenship papers ) and a clean record should be the only identification I need.

Use a national registry to identify those justifiably banned from owning a firearm.

I agree. Those should be enough.

Try buying a gun with a birth certificate and an unverified clean record.

Absence of something is not proof.

I have heard a lot of *****ing about would should be reality, but not much in the way of what reality is.

[ldsnet]

That was the whole idea behind the Instant background check. One phone call or computer check and 15 minutes later you walk out with your purchase. No ID cards needed. If they would FUND the program properly to handle the medical prohibited side it would help in correcting the problem.

CA DOJ has gone off the deep end in LOOKING for a reason to prohibit firearms sales.

[MudCamper]

Every generation is just a little more used to government intrusion into our lives that some day everyone will be OK with Big Brother's cameras in our bathrooms. Sigh.