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  • H Paul Payne
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2006
    • 667

    ACTION REQUESTED: Help save the Glendale Gun Show

    Based upon the previous thread, please take the action requested herein.

    You can print a flyer HERE.

    Let's get going and give the City Council a piece of our mind. But, let's try to remain polite and respectful.

    Paul



    ALERT!!! ALERT!!! ALERT!!!
    THE CITY OF GLENDALE IS CONSIDERING A BAN ON THE SALES OF FIREARMS IN AN AREA THAT WOULD RESULT IN THE CLOSURE OF THE GLENDALE GUN SHOW!!!!
    Contact the Glendale City Council and tell them not to take any action that would result in the closure of the Glendale Gun Show. Send the Glendale City Council members a message by sending an email using the NRA Members’ Council “One-Click” system at http://www.calnra.com/legs.shtml?summary=glendale&year=2013 (NOTE: One email sent via the “One-Click” delivers an email message to each of the City Council members.)
    Plan to attend the Glendale City Council Meeting on January 15th and voice your opposition to the proposed ordinance. The location is: COUNCIL CHAMBERS, City Hall –– 613 E. Broadway, 2nd Floor, Glendale, CA
    Sign-up as an NRA volunteer at http://www.calnra.com/volunteer/
    Stand by for further ways to help the NRA work to save the Glendale Gun Show

    REASONS WHY BANNING THE GLENDALE GUN SHOW IS A BAD IDEA
    1) The Glendale Gun Show is already heavily regulated. All federal, state, and local laws must be adhered to at the gun show, which means firearms are not generally transferred on the property the day of the show. People select a firearm, fill out the paperwork, and then go pick the firearm up at ANOTHER location from a licensed dealer 10 days later, after they have passed a background check.
    2) The Gun Show brings in significant revenue to the City, over $54,000 directly (and who knows how much indirectly from restaurants, gas stations, etc.) in 2012.
    3) An ordinance banning the gun show is a solution in search of a problem, based on emotion. There appear to be zero instances of crimes or accidents with firearms at or around the gun show in its history spanning approximately 20 years.
    4) Alameda County banned gun shows on its property and was sued for violation of the First and Second Amendments to the U.S. Constitution, as well as the Equal Protection Clause. Thirteen years and hundreds of thousands of dollars later the case remains unresolved, with the County ultimately interpreting its ordinance to allow gun shows on its property and plaintiffs asking the U.S. Supreme Court to confirm they are entitled to attorneys’ fees in excess of $1 million. See Nordyke v. Alameda County. The City of Glendale will almost certainly be sued in a similar case if it passes the proposed ordinance.
    5) What exactly will banning the gun show achieve for Glendale other than deprive the City of the significant revenue it takes in from the show and invite a costly lawsuit like Nordyke, which could result in the City paying the plaintiffs’ attorneys’ fees on top of its losses?
    6) Banning the gun show was proposed in 2006 and was rejected. It was a bad idea then and it is a bad idea now.
    7) It is offensive that some members of the City Council would admittedly exploit the tragic murder of innocents in Connecticut as a pretext to resurrect a political plan they have obviously wanted to employ for several years.
    8) Any emotionally-based action, by an elected or appointed public official, is a bad idea if it does not also have a basis in fiscal and social responsibility. The loss of the steady stream of revenue, resulting from the gun show, is bad enough. But eliminating a highly regulated venue that requires that only lawful firearms transactions can occur is socially negligent.
    9) The promoter of the Glendale Gun Show has a contract with the city and has had one for quite some time, and the city of Glendale would be in breach by taking any action that would prohibit the promoter from hosting his show.
    Fighting for the restoration and preservation of the Second Amendment, right here in California since 1989!

    H. Paul Payne
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    NRA Members' Councils Program Administrator
    (951) 683-4NRA Office nrausmc@earthlink.net Email
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  • #2
    H Paul Payne
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2006
    • 667

    Originally posted by fredieusa
    What is wrong with these nut bags? Any chance folks can reach out to the council members before any scheduled meeting?
    That's EXACTLY what I'm asking YOU to do!

    Please make sure to re-word the points (1 through 9 above) and only use one or two points in each email message.

    Paul
    Fighting for the restoration and preservation of the Second Amendment, right here in California since 1989!

    H. Paul Payne
    NRA Liaison to the Executive Vice President
    NRA Members' Councils Program Administrator
    (951) 683-4NRA Office nrausmc@earthlink.net Email
    http://www.calnra.com California NRA Web Site ----- CLICK HERE to
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    • #3
      Maltese Falcon
      Ordo Militaris Templi
      CGN Contributor
      • Feb 2009
      • 6633

      I will try to get a vacation day for the 15th, see you there! (Though I have never done anything like this).

      If we don't stand up for our rights who will?

      Thanks Paul.

      .

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      • #4
        VAReact
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2009
        • 1519

        What time is the meeting on January 15th? I looked at the City of Glendale website, and couldn't readily find it. Will write the Council now, and I plan on attending the meeting.
        NRA Life Member
        SAF Life Member (Defenders' Club)
        CCRKBA Life Member
        Madison Society Life Member
        CRPA Life Member

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        • #5
          H Paul Payne
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2006
          • 667

          Originally posted by VAReact
          What time is the meeting on January 15th? I looked at the City of Glendale website, and couldn't readily find it. Will write the Council now, and I plan on attending the meeting.
          I will get more specific information regarding the actual time of the Council Meeting and other details within the next few days.

          This is phase 2 of our strategy. Phase 1 is progressing well (please don't ask me about what it is.) Phase 3 will be coming next week.

          For now, please spread the word and get those emails into the Glendale City Council.

          Originally posted by Maltese Falcon
          I will try to get a vacation day for the 15th, see you there! (Though I have never done anything like this).

          If we don't stand up for our rights who will?

          Thanks Paul.

          .
          Don't worry if this sort of activism is new to you. I've been doing this for two-dozen years and I will teach you.

          Paul
          Fighting for the restoration and preservation of the Second Amendment, right here in California since 1989!

          H. Paul Payne
          NRA Liaison to the Executive Vice President
          NRA Members' Councils Program Administrator
          (951) 683-4NRA Office nrausmc@earthlink.net Email
          http://www.calnra.com California NRA Web Site ----- CLICK HERE to
          Join NRA's California Team of Volunteers

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          • #6
            bwiese
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Oct 2005
            • 27621

            Folks, please listen to my friend Paul.

            This is not really just about "a" (single) gun show. But it's a line in the sand.

            Attacks on gunshows are part of the cultural antigun war and are less about the guns
            themselves - than about diluting "us" and our way of life. [These killjoys can't stand
            anyone having fun either.]

            If they attack places where gunnies meet & socialize, they block/reduce fundraising,
            organization and communications. It's really a subterranean 1A issue too.

            Bill Wiese
            San Jose, CA

            CGF Board Member / NRA Benefactor Life Member / CRPA life member
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            • #7
              Mitch
              Mostly Harmless
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Mar 2008
              • 6574

              Originally posted by H Paul Payne
              That's EXACTLY what I'm asking YOU to do!
              For those of you with limited experience with local government, meeting with the council members individually before the meeting is FAR more effective than standing before the council and speaking for three minutes.

              It's called lobbying and it's how things get done.
              Originally posted by cockedandglocked
              Getting called a DOJ shill has become a rite of passage around here. I've certainly been called that more than once - I've even seen Kes get called that. I haven't seen Red-O get called that yet, which is very suspicious to me, and means he's probably a DOJ shill.

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              • #8
                FastFinger
                In Memoriam
                • Aug 2007
                • 2983

                There is not one even slightly reasonable justification for shutting down this gun show. The anti's keep pointing out that the facility is adjacent to an Armenian Church and a community college - of course they can't articulate how either of those entities are negatively impacted by the show. What - Armenians and college students shouldn't have access to the tools required to exercise their rights and enjoy their legal pursuits?

                The city has zero - not one - legitimate excuse to discriminate against this event, its sponsors, its vendors, or the community residents who enjoy attending the gun show.
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                • #9
                  H Paul Payne
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 667

                  Originally posted by Mitch
                  For those of you with limited experience with local government, meeting with the council members individually before the meeting is FAR more effective than standing before the council and speaking for three minutes.

                  It's called lobbying and it's how things get done.
                  I won't get into a debate about whether one method is "FAR more effective" than another. Because, in the end, it is simply one person's opinion vs. another person's opinion. But my limited experience (of about 24 years) has taught me many things regarding politics. And I'm attempting to use that experience and education to further benefit our efforts to help save the Second Amendment and, in this case, a gun show.

                  The tasks that I am requesting people to become involved in are part of something I call the Focused Energy Method of activism. As I stated in a previous thread, related to this topic, "The only thing I'm asking of you at this point in time is to work with us in a coordinated manner so that we can maximize our effectiveness."

                  We are currently in the second phase of a strategy that involves multiple activities from multiple positions. But we are not using a shotgun-style approach that has everybody attacking the issue from every different angle without coordination.

                  At this time, we are focusing our pubic efforts on electronic mail.

                  Instead, we are focusing our efforts in manner that uses techniques that will maximize the effectiveness so that we can be assured that our positions are being heard and understood.

                  Paul
                  Fighting for the restoration and preservation of the Second Amendment, right here in California since 1989!

                  H. Paul Payne
                  NRA Liaison to the Executive Vice President
                  NRA Members' Councils Program Administrator
                  (951) 683-4NRA Office nrausmc@earthlink.net Email
                  http://www.calnra.com California NRA Web Site ----- CLICK HERE to
                  Join NRA's California Team of Volunteers

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                  • #10
                    glock7
                    Veteran Member
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 3390

                    e mails sent, and i plan to attend that gun show. fight on!
                    #blackriflesmatter
                    <4 years till retirement, can't wait to leave this state
                    California, where all of the good stuff is banned, registered, regulated or prohibited, yay.....

                    Law abiding firearm owners have no chance in this state.

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                    • #11
                      H Paul Payne
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 667

                      Please increase the level of attention to this matter, especially during the next three days. In about two or three days time, we will add another phase to effort and ramp-up the pressure even more.

                      For clarity's sake: Phase 3 will not replace Phase 2. It will add to it, in order to increase our chances of effectiveness.

                      So please go to http://www.calnra.com/legs.shtml?sum...dale&year=2013 and use the ONE-CLICK MESSAGE CENTER link to send an email message to the entire Glendale City Council. Since all of the City Council members are receiving the same message, you might want to address your message with Dear Council Member, or something similar.

                      Thanks for all of your efforts. Please keep up the pressure.

                      Paul
                      Fighting for the restoration and preservation of the Second Amendment, right here in California since 1989!

                      H. Paul Payne
                      NRA Liaison to the Executive Vice President
                      NRA Members' Councils Program Administrator
                      (951) 683-4NRA Office nrausmc@earthlink.net Email
                      http://www.calnra.com California NRA Web Site ----- CLICK HERE to
                      Join NRA's California Team of Volunteers

                      sigpic Proud to be an NRA Benefactor Member

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                      • #12
                        Maltese Falcon
                        Ordo Militaris Templi
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 6633

                        E-mails sent to my council members.

                        Keep up a steady stream guys!

                        .

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                        • #13
                          voiceofreason
                          Veteran Member
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 3785

                          We are minority of society participating in a legal activity. Is this a form of discrimination against us to suppress us from exercising our 2nd A rights?
                          "You will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it."
                          John Quincy Adams

                          "You will never know how little my generation has traded away our freedoms and rights for. I'm sorry and ashamed for what we've left to the following generations."
                          voiceofreason

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                          • #14
                            Vlad 11
                            Veteran Member
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 2961

                            Originally posted by voiceofreason
                            We are minority of society participating in a legal activity. Is this a form of discrimination against us to suppress us from exercising our 2nd A rights?
                            For sure, its a blatant infringement on the civil rights of a minority group

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                            • #15
                              Maltese Falcon
                              Ordo Militaris Templi
                              CGN Contributor
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 6633

                              Originally posted by voiceofreason
                              We are minority of society participating in a legal activity. Is this a form of discrimination against us to suppress us from exercising our 2nd A rights?
                              I mentioned something to that effect in the e-mail to council members, about how the Bill of Rights is not divided into "good" amendments and "bad" amendments and they don't get to decide.

                              .
                              Last edited by Maltese Falcon; 01-07-2013, 2:24 PM.

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