The gender gap & gun rights

[Trenchfoot]

This is an important misconception. The 2A supporters want to be left alone and not have legislation introduced annually to chip away at their rights. The political party is irrelevant.

Many on these boards lean libertarian and you'll find supporters of both D and R. What we have in common is that we want our 2A rights.

Trust me I understand that... but the fact is, pro 2A politicians are very much on the R side of the spectrum. It will be easier to convince the GOP to move towards the center on social issues, seeing as it killed them in the last 2 elections, than it will be to convince the Dems to start supporting gun rights.

If as many people who claimed to be Libertarian, acted or voted that way, there might actually be a chance that the Libertarian party could make some changes in America

[LoneYote]

Libertarian candidate got most votes ever recorded for one I believe. Yes it was only like 2% of the overall votes. Yes, even adding those votes to Mitt would not have changed the outcome. I voted! I ain't sayin' who fer.

[Meplat]

The republican party needs to get out of their Vagina, to start the ball rolling in the right direction.

And the uterus.

[Tarn_Helm]

Goals: Incremental vs. "Revolutionary"

Rights that are not exercised are lost. Rights that are not adopted are not exercised. Rights that are perceived to be a threat or antithetical to one's values are not adopted.

-Brandon

+1

And we do not need to set as a goal the persuasion of all female American voters, as some seem to assume.

We only need to move the needle to "51% in favor of RKBA" as we understand it.

More would be better, but we do not need a super majority.

Our political battles are not zero sum games.

But they are won through careful, patient, incremental change, the only kind of change that is stable over time.

Truly "revolutionary," instantaneous, and radical changes almost never last nor achieve their original, stated goals.

Just my 2 cents.

[Ford8N]

And the uterus.

[Meplat]

[Funtimes]

Yes, how do you define "rural"? Yuppie living on an acreage is, I suppose, rural by some definition. I'd rather look at where they get their money from as a better indicator of attitudes. Do they get it from corn and cattle the way my dad (and father-in-law) did, or do they have a job where you take your shower before you go in to work, instead of after you come home.

If you shower after, isn't it really before?

[nicki]

it starts with our children.

When you go out shooting next time, ask your daughter does she want to come.

Don't have a daughter, well how about a niece.

Take your girlfriends when you are going shooting, at least offer, if necessary, make a deal and agree to go shopping with her one day.

Now if you are in my neck of the woods, do the following.

Tell your girlfriend that you don't know LBGT folks and that while some have been saying they are pro gun, you don't want someone hitting on you, so would she please come along so that people know that you are taken and unavailable.

Yeah the above line is total BS, but if you get her to the range, I will get her shooting and once that is done, all you have to do is follow up.

Of course follow up means plan on opening up the wallet cause your girl will want a 22 pistol and a 9mm pistol for herself. Also I strongly reccomend lots of shooting to become second nature, so add another 5000 rounds of 22 and 1000 rounds of 9mm.

Nicki

[BRoss]

That's it. I can't follow this thread anymore. The ignorance here is too blinding and I don't need my blood pressure to be any higher.

From a fellow female calgunner, it takes all of us to change the stereotypes.

If you refuse to help, you're part of the problem.

THIS.

A couple of people said it in earlier pages of this thread, but the best way to get more women in support of the 2A is to take them shooting and teach them about it. Take your daughters, mothers, sisters, cousins, friends, pastors, every female you know to the range and teach them gun safety and how fun it is to go shooting. Take them hunting. They will then tell their friends, mothers, sisters, cousins, friends, pastors, etc. how much fun they had and how they should consider going as well. And the word spreads. And, as long as they enjoy themselves and people aren't being d-bags like they are in this thread, then BOOM - you've got more 2A supporters.

If it was not for a friend that offered to take me to the range with him one day a long time ago, my life would be very different today.

[smokehammer]

It is tough to choose between these civil liberties vs those civil liberties. However, with the republicans, if push comes to shove and you REALLY hate some law they enact or destroy you can always take up arms to "fix" it. So, when your sister/girlfriend/wife/daughter starts harping on Republicans being "old school" and too "right-wing" and totally anti-woman you might want to remind them that all of their rights begin and end with force. Force that as the "weaker" sex physically they're giving up when they dont vote "one-issue" in favor of guns.

[SilverTauron]

So, when your sister/girlfriend/wife/daughter starts harping on Republicans being "old school" and too "right-wing" and totally anti-woman you might want to remind them that all of their rights begin and end with force. Force that as the "weaker" sex physically they're giving up when they dont vote "one-issue" in favor of guns.

Guess what, the ladies will retort with the factual truth that reproductive issues are of a greater import then the 2nd Amendment.

What's statistically more likely to happen to a girl-a criminal defensive incident involving shots fired , or having consensual sex?

Unless a chick becomes a nun reproductive issues are a vital political topic which practically supersedes all other issues for her. If a girl has sex, she has to consider the possible outcome of it being an unwanted pregnancy , period. Condoms and birth control are NOT 100% effective even when used together. A wise woman votes for the candidate who won't boss her around when contraception doesn't live up to the hype.

I prioritize the RKBA over abortion rights, -but that's easy for me to say because I'm not a chick. An unwanted pregnancy is a problem ill never have to personally consider. Unless we get a candidate who's pro 2A and pro Abortion at the same time, we are sunk like the Titanic.

[movie zombie]

interesting thread.
some very good points.
i'm impressed that so many men here actually "get it".

so many of you are worried about how to get more women into 2A rights and yet so many at calguns go out of their way to alienate the few women that participate on calguns.

i am a pro-choice woman for many of the reasons outlined in many posts in this thread by i'm pleased to say MEN. i have been verbally beat up and called so many names on calguns its not even funny. i'm not alone. being a woman and having to listen to the scrap that gets dealt out here is not only offensive, it means i can't recommend to any woman i know that she join in this group.

i will also say re 2A rights: yes, it comes 2nd to roe v. wade.
i'm not alone in this.
even my 88 year old mother who used to be against abortion has changed her mind and now says she never knew there was so much hatred in this country towards women and that she supports a woman's right to chose. of course, she still has her beretta!

so women are out there that do support 2A rights but not at the expense of their own quality of life.

i expect to get flamed. i am not as eloquent as so many others here. but you guys want to know how to bring women into the fold? quit pushing them out and stop with the macho BS. keyboard commandos do not win women over to the 2A cause and telling them that their own issues are unimportant and have no basis in a discussion re who one votes for is pure drivel.

and now its time for me to apologize for my rant. its been building. i appreciate the leveler heads here that recognize a problem and are looking for ways to be more inclusive. the real enemy is in the mirror, guys. ok, i shouldn't have written the last sentence but i did and its staying.

good night.

ps give me a pro-choice and pro-2A rights candidate and i have a win-win. until then i won't be voting for the anti-choice candidate.

[wildhawker]

She's our [should be current and] future constituency, people. Listen up.

-Brandon

[IVC]

i will also say re 2A rights: yes, it comes 2nd to roe v. wade.

When it comes to *voting* everybody gets to vote their most important issue. The candidates that are running come as a package, so one cannot pick and choose. Absolutely no problem there, even if the candidate is completely anti gun.

When it comes to *supporting* 2A rights, given that it is now a recognized civil right, there is no excuse for being against it, man or a woman. Yet it appears that most of the posts here are about how to get more women to *support* 2A rights. As if it's acceptable for a woman to be *actively against* 2A rights just because the men who are into guns are not likeable.

In this day and age of equality, having to pander to women just to prevent them from actively opposing a civil right, while not calling them on bigotry is just mind boggling. Again, it's not about the voting record, but about the actual support or opposition to the 2A rights.

A man could never get away with actively opposing a civil right, say being pro-segregation just because he feels unwelcome among black people. A man could not expect to be pandered to just to support women's suffrage. I would find it extremely demeaning to a woman if I said: "I'll support your right to vote if you cook me a nice meal." Yet, in this thread it's completely acceptable to put a certain level of blame on men for why some women actively oppose a civil right. Enough people are suggesting "take females to the range" (counterpart of "cook a nice meal") and if you don't, you are to blame because "you don't get it." Well, I get it that we can buy support this way, but what I don't get is (1) why would this be a condition for supporting a civil right, and (2) why don't we call those who oppose civil rights "bigots," regardless of their gender.

[Ford8N]

give me a pro-choice and pro-2A rights candidate and i have a win-win. until then i won't be voting for the anti-choice candidate.

Ah, thank you for your honesty and I think this is something that gun owning men(who vote) should remember. It just confirms my personal beliefs.